Peavey Scorpion Speakers vs Celestion G12-K85s vs Sheffield Speakers

[adam79]

I recently bought a Peavey VTM-120 Guitar Amp and I'm looking for a 4x12
cabinet. I can't afford to buy a new cab, and I can't find any used cabs
locally, so i might have to buy one off the internet.. the VTM-120
originally came with the 412M including 4 Celestion G12-K85s speakers. I
haven't been able to find this cab, but I'm in talks with a couple
people that have peavey 4x12s, one has four scorpion speakers and alot
of them have Sheffields. Any comments on these three speakers, and i
guess the Celestion V30s..

Thanks,
-Adam
***@toast.net

[boardjunkie]

Post by adam79
I recently bought a Peavey VTM-120 Guitar Amp and I'm looking for a 4x12
cabinet. I can't afford to buy a new cab, and I can't find any used cabs
locally, so i might have to buy one off the internet.. the VTM-120
originally came with the 412M including 4 Celestion G12-K85s speakers. I
haven't been able to find this cab, but I'm in talks with a couple
people that have peavey 4x12s, one has four scorpion speakers and alot
of them have Sheffields. Any comments on these three speakers, and i
guess the Celestion V30s..
Thanks,
-Adam

Go for the Sheffields...they're Celestion knockoffs. The Scorpions
sound flat and lifeless with a tube amp. I think the Scorps were
voiced to work better with SS amps (rolling off lotsa high end).

[Adam]

Post by boardjunkie
Go for the Sheffields...they're Celestion knockoffs. The Scorpions
sound flat and lifeless with a tube amp. I think the Scorps were
voiced to work better with SS amps (rolling off lotsa high end).

Are you saying that because the Sheffields are less expensive, giving it
more bang for the buck.. If price wasn't an issue, would you still go with
the Sheffs, or would you get the Celestions?

Oh yeah, i have one more question. I've noticed a couple different models of
the 412s (i.e. 412M, 412S, 412MS, 412ST). The Ms and Ss mean mono or stereo.
I thought that all cabe were mono.. What is the sound difference between the
stereo and mono cabs?

Thanks for all the help,
-Adam
***@toast.net

[Jim]

Post by boardjunkie

Post by adam79
I recently bought a Peavey VTM-120 Guitar Amp and I'm looking for a 4x12
cabinet. I can't afford to buy a new cab, and I can't find any used cabs
locally, so i might have to buy one off the internet.. the VTM-120
originally came with the 412M including 4 Celestion G12-K85s speakers. I
haven't been able to find this cab, but I'm in talks with a couple
people that have peavey 4x12s, one has four scorpion speakers and alot
of them have Sheffields. Any comments on these three speakers, and i
guess the Celestion V30s..
Thanks,
-Adam

Go for the Sheffields...they're Celestion knockoffs.

Which model are they trying to copy?


The Scorpions

Post by boardjunkie
sound flat and lifeless with a tube amp. I think the Scorps were
voiced to work better with SS amps (rolling off lotsa high end).

[boardjunkie]

Post by Jim

Post by boardjunkie
Go for the Sheffields...they're Celestion knockoffs.

Which model are they trying to copy?
The Scorpions

My guess would be something like g12t75....run of the mill OEM
Celestion.

The Scorpion series is classified (by Peavey) as a "utility
loudspeaker".
I see the point...they're not really optimized for anything. They're a
good heavy duty speaker...they'll take a beating, but for guitar they
sound like wet cardboard.

The OP should go try these speakers himself and make a decision on
what he thinks sounds good to him.

[TD Madden]

Post by boardjunkie

Post by Jim

Post by boardjunkie
Go for the Sheffields...they're Celestion knockoffs.

Which model are they trying to copy?
The Scorpions

My guess would be something like g12t75....run of the mill OEM
Celestion.
The Scorpion series is classified (by Peavey) as a "utility
loudspeaker".
I see the point...they're not really optimized for anything. They're a
good heavy duty speaker...they'll take a beating, but for guitar they
sound like wet cardboard.
The OP should go try these speakers himself and make a decision on
what he thinks sounds good to him.

I've got an early '80s scorpion laying around...are they also "utility"
speakers?n

[Peter Alerich]

Post by adam79
I recently bought a Peavey VTM-120 Guitar Amp and I'm looking for a 4x12
cabinet. I can't afford to buy a new cab, and I can't find any used cabs
locally, so i might have to buy one off the internet.. the VTM-120
originally came with the 412M including 4 Celestion G12-K85s speakers. I
haven't been able to find this cab, but I'm in talks with a couple
people that have peavey 4x12s, one has four scorpion speakers and alot
of them have Sheffields. Any comments on these three speakers, and i
guess the Celestion V30s..

I had a Peavey 412MS cabinet with Sheffield speakers. Harsh. Too much
high end for me. I replaced them with Celestion G12-75 speakers and
that was a marked improvement although that Celestion is not my
favorite (got a deal on them).

If you can find some old Celestion G12H30 speakers, they were my
favorite. I understand they reissued them - have not heard the
reissue. This guy http://www.avatarspeakers.com/ sells a pre-broken
in G12H30 that gets good reviews.

Peter

[adam79]

Post by Peter Alerich
If you can find some old Celestion G12H30 speakers, they were my
favorite. I understand they reissued them - have not heard the
reissue. This guy http://www.avatarspeakers.com/ sells a pre-broken
in G12H30 that gets good reviews.
Peter

I checked out that website.. it has a section with sound clips of the
various speakers.. i liked the sound of the G12H series.. each speaker
is 30 watts, so four of them would equal 120 watts, which is the exact
same as the rating of my head (Peavey VTM-120). Should cabinets exceed
the watt output of the amp head, to give it some headroom.. is my
assumption about the headroom correct, or is it common for the cab
wattage to equal the amps output rating, or does it not matter at all?

[Peter Alerich]

Post by Peter Alerich
http://www.avatarspeakers.com/
I checked out that website.. it has a section with sound clips of the
various speakers.. i liked the sound of the G12H series.. each speaker
is 30 watts, so four of them would equal 120 watts, which is the exact
same as the rating of my head (Peavey VTM-120). Should cabinets exceed
the watt output of the amp head, to give it some headroom.. is my
assumption about the headroom correct, or is it common for the cab
wattage to equal the amps output rating, or does it not matter at all?

How loud do you normally play your amp - on 10 (or 11, as the case may
be) ? Your amp is only putting out 120 watts when it's dimed and
depending on how healthy the tubes are it may not even be putting out
that much power. If you don't play it wide open - and I can't imagine
standing anywhere near a 120 watt guitar amp turned wide open - you
probably have enough breathing room with a 120 W cabinet to make
things safe.

Those are great speakers. Everyone gets a woody over 25W Greenbacks
but I'll take the 30W gold labels any day.

Peter

[jerry dion]

i dont get it.

Post by Peter Alerich

Post by Peter Alerich
http://www.avatarspeakers.com/
I checked out that website.. it has a section with sound clips of the
various speakers.. i liked the sound of the G12H series.. each speaker
is 30 watts, so four of them would equal 120 watts, which is the exact
same as the rating of my head (Peavey VTM-120). Should cabinets exceed
the watt output of the amp head, to give it some headroom.. is my
assumption about the headroom correct, or is it common for the cab
wattage to equal the amps output rating, or does it not matter at all?

How loud do you normally play your amp - on 10 (or 11, as the case may
be) ? Your amp is only putting out 120 watts when it's dimed and
depending on how healthy the tubes are it may not even be putting out
that much power. If you don't play it wide open - and I can't imagine
standing anywhere near a 120 watt guitar amp turned wide open - you
probably have enough breathing room with a 120 W cabinet to make
things safe.
Those are great speakers. Everyone gets a woody over 25W Greenbacks
but I'll take the 30W gold labels any day.
Peter

[Big E. Ratt]

Post by jerry dion
i dont get it.

Post by Peter Alerich
http://www.avatarspeakers.com/
I checked out that website.. it has a section with sound clips of the
various speakers.. i liked the sound of the G12H series.. each speaker
is 30 watts, so four of them would equal 120 watts, which is the exact
same as the rating of my head (Peavey VTM-120). Should cabinets exceed
the watt output of the amp head, to give it some headroom.. is my
assumption about the headroom correct, or is it common for the cab
wattage to equal the amps output rating, or does it not matter at all?

Your cabinet wattage rating must be equal to, or greater than, that of the
amplifier driving it.
If significantly greater than, it will have more 'headroom' in that the
speaker(s) will not be
driven to the(ir) maximum power handling capacity and so will not break up
as quickly.

[Michael Zentner]

http://www.stevemorse.com/interviews/199610guitarshop.html

This guy like scorps.
--
Michael Zentner
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=59443

Post by adam79
I recently bought a Peavey VTM-120 Guitar Amp and I'm looking for a 4x12
cabinet. I can't afford to buy a new cab, and I can't find any used cabs
locally, so i might have to buy one off the internet.. the VTM-120
originally came with the 412M including 4 Celestion G12-K85s speakers. I
haven't been able to find this cab, but I'm in talks with a couple people
that have peavey 4x12s, one has four scorpion speakers and alot of them
have Sheffields. Any comments on these three speakers, and i guess the
Celestion V30s..
Thanks,
-Adam