"Lord Valve" humiliated by a real amp tech

[RS]

It's basically what the long-gone engineers have been saying forever:
The self-annointed "LV" is a competent mid-level tech, nothing more.
The rest is grandiose posturing. Truth be told, he can bias an amp
with the best of them. No argument.

When the level of his real technical expertise was exposed in his
flame-fest with Rich Koerner, he took it like a man. OK, so he ran
away. It was the right thing to do under the circumstances.

Seriously, 'LV' has decent tech chops and his amp-biasing skills are
probably very good. But now that the lack of real in-depth engineering
knowledge has been shown for what it is, a new strategy is called for:
..."Global Warming", "Ed Sucks", "I OWN the newsgroup", etc.

The enormous effort spent trolling is a pretty transparent
acknowledgement of what really happened here.

[Lord Valve]

Son, you got squat. We both know it.

This is all you can come up with?
YOU got any technical input on this?
Test data? Realworld results? Neither
did the NJ fuddy-duddy. His (and your)
entire argument was that "everybody knows"
this and that. Fucking myths, son. Prove
me wrong.

You can't do it. Neither can he.

I left because I had shit to do, and that's
the long and short of it. You can eat my
shorts if you don't like it, but that's the
way it is.

Lord Valve
Expert

Post by RS
The self-annointed "LV" is a competent mid-level tech, nothing more.
The rest is grandiose posturing. Truth be told, he can bias an amp
with the best of them. No argument.
When the level of his real technical expertise was exposed in his
flame-fest with Rich Koerner, he took it like a man. OK, so he ran
away. It was the right thing to do under the circumstances.
Seriously, 'LV' has decent tech chops and his amp-biasing skills are
probably very good. But now that the lack of real in-depth engineering
..."Global Warming", "Ed Sucks", "I OWN the newsgroup", etc.
The enormous effort spent trolling is a pretty transparent
acknowledgement of what really happened here.

[RS]

Post by Lord Valve
Son, you got squat. We both know it.
This is all you can come up with?
YOU got any technical input on this?
Test data? Realworld results? Neither
did the NJ fuddy-duddy. His (and your)
entire argument was that "everybody knows"
this and that. Fucking myths, son. Prove
me wrong.
You can't do it. Neither can he.

You sound upset. It's nothing to be worried about. You've still got
the respect of many on aga. Well, maybe not as many after the latest
deluge, but you'll still have a bunch who like to read political stuff
and watch you flame people who can't defend themselves. Plus anyone
who needs to bias an amp.

You're a decent tech. OK, a good tech. I won't take that away from
you. But I don't think you've got any engineering degrees tacked up on
the wall. Your in-depth knowledge of thermionic physics would be
pretty much eclipsed by tons of engineers who used to live here.

Post by Lord Valve
I left because I had shit to do, and that's
the long and short of it.

Yeah, the engineers also left cause they 'had something to do.' It
just happened to coincide with the level of your trolling and
relentless political crap. It's a reasonable trade. It's much nicer
now.

I don't remember a single one of the real experts ever claiming that
they 'own us.' So the question is: What does that mean? You're an OK
tech, not an engineer, and you were shown up by some 'fuddie-duddy' as
you put it. That equates to owning the group?

Is it easier to build something? Or to blow it up? Your pride in your
crap-fest is not rational. Something similar was easily done by the
clinically retarded GigaNews dude recently.

Fact is, you're posting away constantly. It looks like AGA owns you.

Post by Lord Valve
You can eat my
shorts if you don't like it, but that's the
way it is.

Yeah, whatever.

Post by Lord Valve
Lord Valve
Expert

Did you mean to say 'Rich Koerner?'

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Post by Lord Valve

Post by RS
The self-annointed "LV" is a competent mid-level tech, nothing more.
The rest is grandiose posturing. Truth be told, he can bias an amp
with the best of them. No argument.
When the level of his real technical expertise was exposed in his
flame-fest with Rich Koerner, he took it like a man. OK, so he ran
away. It was the right thing to do under the circumstances.
Seriously, 'LV' has decent tech chops and his amp-biasing skills are
probably very good. But now that the lack of real in-depth engineering
..."Global Warming", "Ed Sucks", "I OWN the newsgroup", etc.
The enormous effort spent trolling is a pretty transparent
acknowledgement of what really happened here.

[Elvis Kabong]

Post by RS

Post by Lord Valve
Son, you got squat. We both know it.
This is all you can come up with?
YOU got any technical input on this?
Test data? Realworld results? Neither
did the NJ fuddy-duddy. His (and your)
entire argument was that "everybody knows"
this and that. Fucking myths, son. Prove
me wrong.
You can't do it. Neither can he.

You sound upset. It's nothing to be worried about. You've still got
the respect of many on aga. Well, maybe not as many after the latest
deluge, but you'll still have a bunch who like to read political stuff
and watch you flame people who can't defend themselves. Plus anyone
who needs to bias an amp.
You're a decent tech. OK, a good tech. I won't take that away from
you. But I don't think you've got any engineering degrees tacked up on
the wall. Your in-depth knowledge of thermionic physics would be
pretty much eclipsed by tons of engineers who used to live here.

Post by Lord Valve
I left because I had shit to do, and that's
the long and short of it.

Yeah, the engineers also left cause they 'had something to do.' It
just happened to coincide with the level of your trolling and
relentless political crap. It's a reasonable trade. It's much nicer
now.
I don't remember a single one of the real experts ever claiming that
they 'own us.' So the question is: What does that mean? You're an OK
tech, not an engineer, and you were shown up by some 'fuddie-duddy' as
you put it. That equates to owning the group?
Is it easier to build something? Or to blow it up? Your pride in your
crap-fest is not rational. Something similar was easily done by the
clinically retarded GigaNews dude recently.
Fact is, you're posting away constantly. It looks like AGA owns you.

Post by Lord Valve
You can eat my
shorts if you don't like it, but that's the
way it is.

Yeah, whatever.

Post by Lord Valve
Lord Valve
Expert

Did you mean to say 'Rich Koerner?'
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

--

Post by RS

Post by Lord Valve

Post by RS
The self-annointed "LV" is a competent mid-level tech, nothing more.
The rest is grandiose posturing. Truth be told, he can bias an amp
with the best of them. No argument.
When the level of his real technical expertise was exposed in his
flame-fest with Rich Koerner, he took it like a man. OK, so he ran
away. It was the right thing to do under the circumstances.
Seriously, 'LV' has decent tech chops and his amp-biasing skills are
probably very good. But now that the lack of real in-depth engineering
..."Global Warming", "Ed Sucks", "I OWN the newsgroup", etc.
The enormous effort spent trolling is a pretty transparent
acknowledgement of what really happened here.

Excellent perception on your part, RS.

All of us non-toadies owe you one.

Cheers,

Ed Sucks
%-!)

[Lord Valve]

Post data which refutes mine - or shut up.

LV

Post by RS

Post by Lord Valve
Son, you got squat. We both know it.
This is all you can come up with?
YOU got any technical input on this?
Test data? Realworld results? Neither
did the NJ fuddy-duddy. His (and your)
entire argument was that "everybody knows"
this and that. Fucking myths, son. Prove
me wrong.
You can't do it. Neither can he.

You sound upset. It's nothing to be worried about. You've still got
the respect of many on aga. Well, maybe not as many after the latest
deluge, but you'll still have a bunch who like to read political stuff
and watch you flame people who can't defend themselves. Plus anyone
who needs to bias an amp.
You're a decent tech. OK, a good tech. I won't take that away from
you. But I don't think you've got any engineering degrees tacked up on
the wall. Your in-depth knowledge of thermionic physics would be
pretty much eclipsed by tons of engineers who used to live here.

Post by Lord Valve
I left because I had shit to do, and that's
the long and short of it.

Yeah, the engineers also left cause they 'had something to do.' It
just happened to coincide with the level of your trolling and
relentless political crap. It's a reasonable trade. It's much nicer
now.
I don't remember a single one of the real experts ever claiming that
they 'own us.' So the question is: What does that mean? You're an OK
tech, not an engineer, and you were shown up by some 'fuddie-duddy' as
you put it. That equates to owning the group?
Is it easier to build something? Or to blow it up? Your pride in your
crap-fest is not rational. Something similar was easily done by the
clinically retarded GigaNews dude recently.
Fact is, you're posting away constantly. It looks like AGA owns you.

Post by Lord Valve
You can eat my
shorts if you don't like it, but that's the
way it is.

Yeah, whatever.

Post by Lord Valve
Lord Valve
Expert

Did you mean to say 'Rich Koerner?'
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Post by Lord Valve

Post by RS
The self-annointed "LV" is a competent mid-level tech, nothing more.
The rest is grandiose posturing. Truth be told, he can bias an amp
with the best of them. No argument.
When the level of his real technical expertise was exposed in his
flame-fest with Rich Koerner, he took it like a man. OK, so he ran
away. It was the right thing to do under the circumstances.
Seriously, 'LV' has decent tech chops and his amp-biasing skills are
probably very good. But now that the lack of real in-depth engineering
..."Global Warming", "Ed Sucks", "I OWN the newsgroup", etc.
The enormous effort spent trolling is a pretty transparent
acknowledgement of what really happened here.

[RS]

Post by Lord Valve
This is all you can come up with?
YOU got any technical input on this?
Test data? Realworld results? Neither
did the NJ fuddy-duddy. His (and your)
entire argument was that "everybody knows"
this and that. Fucking myths, son. Prove
me wrong.
You can't do it. Neither can he.
I left because I had shit to do, and that's
the long and short of it. You can eat my
shorts if you don't like it, but that's the
way it is.

By the way, by "Owning the Group", are you actually implying that your
knowledge of electronics and physics is anywhere close to the many
engineers and techs that have been here? If so, this is way beyond an
emotional problem. You may want to clarify that.

[Mr Soul]

Post by Lord Valve
did the NJ fuddy-duddy. His (and your)

Ah - that would be NJ expert!

Post by Lord Valve
I left because I had shit to do, and that's

We heard that you'd had a life style change - huh, huh, huh! Are you
reborn now?

Mr Soul
http://www.MusicIsLove.com

[Dave Moore]

"Lord Valve" wrote

: I left because I had shit to do



you were off designing an amp that Clapton
would pee on?

[Elvis Kabong]

Post by Dave Moore
: I left because I had shit to do
you were off designing an amp that Clapton
would pee on?

LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOL

[Lord Valve]

Post by Dave Moore
: I left because I had shit to do
you were off designing an amp that Clapton
would pee on?

I don't think Clapton peed on any of 'em, but I hear he liked the tone.

They weren't his amps anyway. And I didn't design 'em,
I just made 'em sound a bit better and work a bit more
reliably. Those amps have had the absolute crap kicked
out of them - EC's tour is a fly-in for every date - and both
amps have performed flawlessly, every time.

But thanks for asking.

Lord Valve
Expert

[timepixdc]

Post by Lord Valve
I left because I had shit to do

Suuuure...

[Rich Koerner]

Post by Lord Valve
Son, you got squat. We both know it.
This is all you can come up with?
YOU got any technical input on this?
Test data? Realworld results?

Below is a very practical test bed for stress testing polished turds, without risk of test bed
DAMAGE due to the failing polished turds.

Loading Image...

I will admit, the 400-PS is a little extreme for a test bed. But, none the less, it provides the
same voltage environment as the..... REAL WORLD Musicman HD-GB-2 150 watt with four 6L6GC tubes in
it.

Likewise, the Musicman 130 watt 6L6 versions of the same amp.

That's real world.... and those Musicman amps with their Sylvania tubes left the factory producing
every bit of their power rating too.

Those Sylvania 6L6GC's, along with their Sylvania 6CA7's in these musicman amplifiers became the
performance standard for these tubes.

Your Fender, as a test bed, was a poor choice to support your intended goal to add shine to your
polished turds.


With respect to your asking for test data.... yours was lacking quite a bit, to say the least.

No one could reproduce your results identically, due to the fact you gave no DYNAMIC signal
information with respect to the stages before the control grids of your 6L6's under test. Nor did
you give the same for the PI input and output.

Where, did the observed clipping on the load REALLY occure. PI, maybe? V1, maybe?

You gave no dynamic signal input/output or DC voltage data for all the stages of the signal chain of
your bogus test.

It's incomplete, and was biased for the polished turds.

For THAT,... the Fender was a good test bed.

Post by Lord Valve
Fucking myths, son. Prove
me wrong.

It's only a myth to those who have not been there in the details of a Musicman or a 400-PS.


You do know that in the birth of a vacuum tube the internal assembly is heated red hot. So, why is
everyone so afraid to test to this point.

To confirm the specified VALUE rating of a resistor, you test for it.

To confirm the specified POWER rating of a resistor, you also test for it too.

Likewise, to confirm the specified POWER Dissipation rating of a tube, you test THAT it too.


Here's some examples of standards the polished turds should meet.

http://www.timeelect.com/idprf1am2.pdf

http://www.timeelect.com/mil1ss197_6L6WGB.pdf

http://www.timeelect.com/00001rev150.pdf





Regards,

Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com

Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

[Lord Valve]

Sorry, no numbers. Nothing. Go fuck yourself.

LV

Post by Rich Koerner

Post by Lord Valve
Son, you got squat. We both know it.
This is all you can come up with?
YOU got any technical input on this?
Test data? Realworld results?

Below is a very practical test bed for stress testing polished turds, without risk of test bed
DAMAGE due to the failing polished turds.
http://www.timeelect.com/things/turd-tester.jpg
I will admit, the 400-PS is a little extreme for a test bed. But, none the less, it provides the
same voltage environment as the..... REAL WORLD Musicman HD-GB-2 150 watt with four 6L6GC tubes in
it.
Likewise, the Musicman 130 watt 6L6 versions of the same amp.
That's real world.... and those Musicman amps with their Sylvania tubes left the factory producing
every bit of their power rating too.
Those Sylvania 6L6GC's, along with their Sylvania 6CA7's in these musicman amplifiers became the
performance standard for these tubes.
Your Fender, as a test bed, was a poor choice to support your intended goal to add shine to your
polished turds.
With respect to your asking for test data.... yours was lacking quite a bit, to say the least.
No one could reproduce your results identically, due to the fact you gave no DYNAMIC signal
information with respect to the stages before the control grids of your 6L6's under test. Nor did
you give the same for the PI input and output.
Where, did the observed clipping on the load REALLY occure. PI, maybe? V1, maybe?
You gave no dynamic signal input/output or DC voltage data for all the stages of the signal chain of
your bogus test.
It's incomplete, and was biased for the polished turds.
For THAT,... the Fender was a good test bed.

Post by Lord Valve
Fucking myths, son. Prove
me wrong.

It's only a myth to those who have not been there in the details of a Musicman or a 400-PS.
You do know that in the birth of a vacuum tube the internal assembly is heated red hot. So, why is
everyone so afraid to test to this point.
To confirm the specified VALUE rating of a resistor, you test for it.
To confirm the specified POWER rating of a resistor, you also test for it too.
Likewise, to confirm the specified POWER Dissipation rating of a tube, you test THAT it too.
Here's some examples of standards the polished turds should meet.
http://www.timeelect.com/idprf1am2.pdf
http://www.timeelect.com/mil1ss197_6L6WGB.pdf
http://www.timeelect.com/00001rev150.pdf
Regards,
Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com
Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

[The Repair Guy]

Post by Lord Valve
Sorry, no numbers. Nothing. Go fuck yourself.

Don't forget to pull the blankets over your head...

The Repair Guy
http://repairguy1993.netfirms.com/

[DGDevin]

Post by Lord Valve
Sorry, no numbers. Nothing. Go fuck yourself.
LV

">This is all you can come up with?

Post by Lord Valve
YOU got any technical input on this?
Test data? Realworld results? Neither
did the NJ fuddy-duddy. His (and your)
entire argument was that "everybody knows"
this and that. Fucking myths, son. Prove
me wrong."

Hmmmm, kind of a pot-kettle-black situation here, ain't it.

[Rich Koerner]

Post by Lord Valve
Sorry, no numbers. Nothing. Go fuck yourself.

Still the internet bully.

And now, TOP posting too.

Damn......

Post by Lord Valve
LV

Post by Lord Valve
Son, you got squat. We both know it.
This is all you can come up with?
YOU got any technical input on this?
Test data? Realworld results?

Willie, get a freaking grip!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are the one on the short end of the stick my friend. You are the one short on the REAL data,
and proper testing.

You are the one with nothing. Or, as you say,... squat.

All it takes is for anyone to do a little reading MIL-PRF-M1-w/AMENDMENT 2 to know what is going on
here.

It ain't Rocket Science!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's just the basics to understanding the real world testing and evaluation of vacuum tubes by the
US government.

If you want to sell your polished turds to the Government of the United States, you are going to
have to meet the requirements in those documents I posted links to.

How many of those polished turds COULD you sell the US government that would pass *their* MIL spec
for a 6L6GC, 7581, or any other polished turd you have sitting on your shelf as branded.

Are any/all of those polished turds you sell registered with the EIA with their specs on file?




If, you want to separate the men from the boys, you test at nothing less than the tube's maximum
ratings.

You did NOT test at such levels. Thus, making your data worthless.

All you did was use a lower testing level, to group them to the same performance.


THAT, is clear for all to see.

So, here are the numbers you wanted.

Which ARE the numbers you SHOULD HAVE tested at, or above to have merit.

After all, this is not about the amps. It's all about the tubes that you make claim.


Maximum Ratings RCA:

Plate Voltage - 500 volts
Screen Grid - 450 volts
Plate Dissipation - 30 watts
Screen Dissipation 5 watts

Now, if I have to explain why 700 volts on the plate is no problem for the Sylvania's in the
Musicman, then you don't know very much on the subject.



Regards,

Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com

Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

[J.P.]

Post by Rich Koerner
MIL-PRF-M1-w/AMENDMENT 2

Rich, every one of those links game me the access forbidden deal. J.P.

[Rich Koerner]

Post by J.P.

Post by Rich Koerner
MIL-PRF-M1-w/AMENDMENT 2

Rich, every one of those links game me the access forbidden deal. J.P.

Yeah, I know. I just called my hosting people.

My web site server has been down, and they tell me its a major server crash.

It's going to take some time to get it back on line again, they tell me.

But, in the mean time......

MIL-PRF-M1-w/AMENDMENT 2 is the basic outline for conduct between the vacuum tube manufacturer and
the US government. It defines the electrical terms, and procedures to be followed with respect to
vacuum tubes.

It also classifies the vacuum tubes into groups, and establishes exact testing methods and
procedures for such.

It sets standards so both parties will always be on the same page, which serves to eliminate mistake
or confusion.

The government has a specific test for everything electrical and physical you can think of applied
to vacuum tubes. They call the shots, and set the terms of the testing for each tube.
MIL-PRF-M1-w/AMENDMENT 2 even covers the manner in which the tubes are to be branded.

When the server comes back up, check out those three pdf documents. I found the specs for the
6L6WGB, and the approved tube/supplier list too. Yes, this is a small look at the way the vacuum
tube business was conducted here in the USA in the past.

The USA tube companies could never get away with the crap the way the off shore tube makers are
pulling the wool over your eyes today. Or, should I say, by their USA distributors/dealers.

All the original tubes made in the USA were registered with the EIA. You want to know who came up
with the 6550, you can call them up and ask. I believe, they'll tell you Tungsol. Tell them 6550A,
and the may say GE.

The EIA is who gave out the numbers you see on the tubes made in the USA. If an American tube
company came up with a tube, it had to be registered with the EIA with the electrical and physical
specs supplied.

Call them and ask if they have any of the polished turds on file with them.

Hell, the polished turd companies can put anything they want on a tube and get away with it in the
market place over here because the consumer doesn't know the BS that is being played on them.

I'm really tired of the deceptive practice they've been pulling for years. Which now includes the
practice of buying up trademarks. What next.

In all these years of promises, they still can't consistently make a good 12AX7. They all are
rattle traps, and party noise makers.

Then, they present their version of the old Sylvania or GE 6L6GC. LOL, the only thing they have is
a good look-a-like. The electrical and performance yields are not even close to the original GE.

A time back Doug was in here saying that Groove Tube had the machines to make their tube, to support
their claims. But, I knew that Pittman on his own, didn't have the knowledge to make a tube.

So, I told Doug to take a ride to Disneyland's Fantasy Land, get two of those look-a-like GE's hot
off the machines, try them out, report back here in AGA, and tell us all about the workers
assembling those tubes in the white room, to keep feeding those flame set exhausting/sealing
machines.

Guess what.

Yep, you got it.

There ya go.

Someone made a big deal he had some hot off the press coming to him special, and was going to report
back as soon as he got them.

Hmmmmmmmmmm..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I was looking at four of them in their GT packaging when that was posted. I showed them to
the tube people I know, who said there was another country's fingerprints all over those tubes.
They didn't even have the shape correct in the anode stamping die either. But, close enough works
in horse shoes and polished turds.

That's just a small piece of the deception, that is the history behind the marketing of polished
turds, that has appeared here in AGA.

Read those documents I posted, and you'll start to see through all the smoke, mirrors, and bogus
test results.


Regards,

Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com

Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

[J.P.]

Post by Rich Koerner

Post by J.P.

Post by Rich Koerner
MIL-PRF-M1-w/AMENDMENT 2

Rich, every one of those links game me the access forbidden deal. J.P.

Yeah, I know. I just called my hosting people.
My web site server has been down, and they tell me its a major server crash.
It's going to take some time to get it back on line again, they tell me.
But, in the mean time......
MIL-PRF-M1-w/AMENDMENT 2 is the basic outline for conduct between the vacuum tube manufacturer and
the US government. It defines the electrical terms, and procedures to be followed with respect to
vacuum tubes.
It also classifies the vacuum tubes into groups, and establishes exact testing methods and
procedures for such.
It sets standards so both parties will always be on the same page, which serves to eliminate mistake
or confusion.
The government has a specific test for everything electrical and physical you can think of applied
to vacuum tubes. They call the shots, and set the terms of the testing for each tube.
MIL-PRF-M1-w/AMENDMENT 2 even covers the manner in which the tubes are to be branded.
When the server comes back up, check out those three pdf documents. I found the specs for the
6L6WGB, and the approved tube/supplier list too. Yes, this is a small look at the way the vacuum
tube business was conducted here in the USA in the past.
The USA tube companies could never get away with the crap the way the off shore tube makers are
pulling the wool over your eyes today. Or, should I say, by their USA distributors/dealers.
All the original tubes made in the USA were registered with the EIA. You want to know who came up
with the 6550, you can call them up and ask. I believe, they'll tell you Tungsol. Tell them 6550A,
and the may say GE.
The EIA is who gave out the numbers you see on the tubes made in the USA. If an American tube
company came up with a tube, it had to be registered with the EIA with the electrical and physical
specs supplied.
Call them and ask if they have any of the polished turds on file with them.
Hell, the polished turd companies can put anything they want on a tube and get away with it in the
market place over here because the consumer doesn't know the BS that is being played on them.
I'm really tired of the deceptive practice they've been pulling for years. Which now includes the
practice of buying up trademarks. What next.
In all these years of promises, they still can't consistently make a good 12AX7. They all are
rattle traps, and party noise makers.
Then, they present their version of the old Sylvania or GE 6L6GC. LOL, the only thing they have is
a good look-a-like. The electrical and performance yields are not even close to the original GE.
A time back Doug was in here saying that Groove Tube had the machines to make their tube, to support
their claims. But, I knew that Pittman on his own, didn't have the knowledge to make a tube.
So, I told Doug to take a ride to Disneyland's Fantasy Land, get two of those look-a-like GE's hot
off the machines, try them out, report back here in AGA, and tell us all about the workers
assembling those tubes in the white room, to keep feeding those flame set exhausting/sealing
machines.
Guess what.
Yep, you got it.
There ya go.
Someone made a big deal he had some hot off the press coming to him special, and was going to report
back as soon as he got them.
Hmmmmmmmmmm..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, I was looking at four of them in their GT packaging when that was posted. I showed them to
the tube people I know, who said there was another country's fingerprints all over those tubes.
They didn't even have the shape correct in the anode stamping die either. But, close enough works
in horse shoes and polished turds.
That's just a small piece of the deception, that is the history behind the marketing of polished
turds, that has appeared here in AGA.
Read those documents I posted, and you'll start to see through all the smoke, mirrors, and bogus
test results.
Regards,
Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com
Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

Thanks Rich, I will check back later...J.P.

[Lord Valve]

Sorry, no realworld test results on actual samples in the field.

No numbers. Nothing. Go fuck yourself.

LV

Post by Rich Koerner

Post by Lord Valve
Sorry, no numbers. Nothing. Go fuck yourself.

Still the internet bully.
And now, TOP posting too.
Damn......

Post by Lord Valve
LV

Post by Lord Valve
Son, you got squat. We both know it.
This is all you can come up with?
YOU got any technical input on this?
Test data? Realworld results?

Willie, get a freaking grip!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are the one on the short end of the stick my friend. You are the one short on the REAL data,
and proper testing.
You are the one with nothing. Or, as you say,... squat.
All it takes is for anyone to do a little reading MIL-PRF-M1-w/AMENDMENT 2 to know what is going on
here.
It ain't Rocket Science!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's just the basics to understanding the real world testing and evaluation of vacuum tubes by the
US government.
If you want to sell your polished turds to the Government of the United States, you are going to
have to meet the requirements in those documents I posted links to.
How many of those polished turds COULD you sell the US government that would pass *their* MIL spec
for a 6L6GC, 7581, or any other polished turd you have sitting on your shelf as branded.
Are any/all of those polished turds you sell registered with the EIA with their specs on file?
If, you want to separate the men from the boys, you test at nothing less than the tube's maximum
ratings.
You did NOT test at such levels. Thus, making your data worthless.
All you did was use a lower testing level, to group them to the same performance.
THAT, is clear for all to see.
So, here are the numbers you wanted.
Which ARE the numbers you SHOULD HAVE tested at, or above to have merit.
After all, this is not about the amps. It's all about the tubes that you make claim.
Plate Voltage - 500 volts
Screen Grid - 450 volts
Plate Dissipation - 30 watts
Screen Dissipation 5 watts
Now, if I have to explain why 700 volts on the plate is no problem for the Sylvania's in the
Musicman, then you don't know very much on the subject.
Regards,
Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com
Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

[Lord Valve]

Post by Lord Valve
Sorry, no realworld test results on actual samples in the field.
No numbers. Nothing. Go fuck yourself.
LV

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Post by Lord Valve
You didn't have much to say about the
Winged C / SED St. Petersburg, Russia
mfrd. 6L6GC. I think they sound fantastic
and can attest to both their longevity and
ruggedness.

THAT, because I've had no hands on experience
with them in performance testing, or service
life in a pro player's amp.
__________________________________________________

No kidding.

LV

[Mr Soul]

I love it!!! Rich cremes old Slick Willie again & again & again.

Mr Soul

[Ned Carlson]

Post by Rich Koerner
I will admit, the 400-PS is a little extreme for a test bed.

"Little extreme" ... Fermilab is a "little extreme" for testing for
quarks, too. The 400 PS and the Marshall Major were on the market for
only a couple of years, mainly because they blew the shit out of the
tubes they were supposed to use, the GEC KT88 and GE 6550A.

[Rich Koerner]

Post by Ned Carlson

Post by Rich Koerner
I will admit, the 400-PS is a little extreme for a test bed.

"Little extreme" ... Fermilab is a "little extreme" for testing for
quarks, too. The 400 PS and the Marshall Major were on the market for
only a couple of years, mainly because they blew the shit out of the
tubes they were supposed to use, the GEC KT88 and GE 6550A.

YES!!!! That happened.

http://www.timeelect.com/400-faq.htm

Covers the subject of amp techs who don't know the deal about 400s and 6550A's.

Typical, when you DON'T have the knowledge.

Case closed, end of story.
Regards,

Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com

Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

[Lord Valve]

Shhhh! No tellum, Ned. ;-)

LV

Post by Ned Carlson

Post by Rich Koerner
I will admit, the 400-PS is a little extreme for a test bed.

"Little extreme" ... Fermilab is a "little extreme" for testing for
quarks, too. The 400 PS and the Marshall Major were on the market for
only a couple of years, mainly because they blew the shit out of the
tubes they were supposed to use, the GEC KT88 and GE 6550A.
--
Ned Carlson
SW side of Chicago, USA
www.tubezone.net

[Like it matters...]

Post by Ned Carlson
"Little extreme" ... Fermilab is a "little extreme" for testing for
quarks, too. The 400 PS and the Marshall Major were on the market for
only a couple of years, mainly because they blew the shit out of the
tubes they were supposed to use, the GEC KT88 and GE 6550A.

Everyone is forgetting one thing, at that time, players did not
LIKE the sound of the Major. Semi-active EQ, hard to overdrive.

AND..that was when the supply of REAL KT-88s started to suck, and the
costs went up. Hard to make $$ off an amp with great tech know how
that no one would buy. Marshall later tried again with those 2000
series, using up to 8 6550's. No one wanted them either. And 2day's
'6550' wouldn't last a week in a 400PS. 2day's KT88 is a 6550 in drag.

As far as the 400PS, it was too soon, and it ate shitty tubes for cheap lunch,
Ampeg ran into the same problem with early SVT's, needing to switch to 6550s
after the old cap'ed (6146B I believe) tubes became scarce..and shitty.

A company can only make $$ off what the public wants to buy, and what can be
supported, tube wise. I've owned Majors, SVTs, DR405's, but never a 400PS, &
it's a hard sound to sell. But clip the input grid cap, and attach a Fuzz,
and the Major was nasty, loud and sounded good. Tweak it to 80watts Class-A.

It had the iron. Something today's amps realy suck at. $ changes everything.




JJTj








I've snorted coke with folks you only see re-runs of on VH1cl when
they play the GOOD stuff. Not proud, but been there, done that..

[Rich Koerner]

Post by Like it matters...

Post by Ned Carlson
"Little extreme" ... Fermilab is a "little extreme" for testing for
quarks, too. The 400 PS and the Marshall Major were on the market for
only a couple of years, mainly because they blew the shit out of the
tubes they were supposed to use, the GEC KT88 and GE 6550A.

Everyone is forgetting one thing, at that time, players did not
LIKE the sound of the Major. Semi-active EQ, hard to overdrive.
AND..that was when the supply of REAL KT-88s started to suck, and the
costs went up. Hard to make $$ off an amp with great tech know how
that no one would buy. Marshall later tried again with those 2000
series, using up to 8 6550's. No one wanted them either. And 2day's
'6550' wouldn't last a week in a 400PS. 2day's KT88 is a 6550 in drag.
As far as the 400PS, it was too soon, and it ate shitty tubes for cheap lunch,
Ampeg ran into the same problem with early SVT's, needing to switch to 6550s
after the old cap'ed (6146B I believe) tubes became scarce..and shitty.
A company can only make $$ off what the public wants to buy, and what can be
supported, tube wise. I've owned Majors, SVTs, DR405's, but never a 400PS, &
it's a hard sound to sell. But clip the input grid cap, and attach a Fuzz,
and the Major was nasty, loud and sounded good. Tweak it to 80watts Class-A.
It had the iron. Something today's amps realy suck at. $ changes everything.
JJTj
I've snorted coke with folks you only see re-runs of on VH1cl when
they play the GOOD stuff. Not proud, but been there, done that..

Nice to know there is someone else here in AGA who has been there and knows what was REAL, and not
the myth.
that some would have you believe.

Thanks.

Now it's not so one sided bucking the trends in turds.


Regards,

Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com

Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

[Rich Koerner]

Post by Like it matters...

Post by Ned Carlson
"Little extreme" ... Fermilab is a "little extreme" for testing for
quarks, too. The 400 PS and the Marshall Major were on the market for
only a couple of years, mainly because they blew the shit out of the
tubes they were supposed to use, the GEC KT88 and GE 6550A.

Everyone is forgetting one thing, at that time, players did not
LIKE the sound of the Major. Semi-active EQ, hard to overdrive.
AND..that was when the supply of REAL KT-88s started to suck, and the
costs went up. Hard to make $$ off an amp with great tech know how
that no one would buy. Marshall later tried again with those 2000
series, using up to 8 6550's. No one wanted them either. And 2day's
'6550' wouldn't last a week in a 400PS. 2day's KT88 is a 6550 in drag.
As far as the 400PS, it was too soon, and it ate shitty tubes for cheap lunch,
Ampeg ran into the same problem with early SVT's, needing to switch to 6550s
after the old cap'ed (6146B I believe) tubes became scarce..and shitty.
A company can only make $$ off what the public wants to buy, and what can be
supported, tube wise. I've owned Majors, SVTs, DR405's, but never a 400PS, &
it's a hard sound to sell. But clip the input grid cap, and attach a Fuzz,
and the Major was nasty, loud and sounded good. Tweak it to 80watts Class-A.
It had the iron. Something today's amps realy suck at. $ changes everything.
JJTj
I've snorted coke with folks you only see re-runs of on VH1cl when
they play the GOOD stuff. Not proud, but been there, done that..

Nice to know there is someone else here in AGA who has been there and knows what was REAL, and not
the myth.
that some would have you believe.

Thanks.

Now it's not so one sided bucking the trends in turds.


Regards,

Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com

Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

[Ned Carlson]

Post by Like it matters...
AND..that was when the supply of REAL KT-88s started to suck, and the
costs went up. Hard to make $$ off an amp with great tech know how
that no one would buy. Marshall later tried again with those 2000
series, using up to 8 6550's. No one wanted them either. And 2day's
'6550' wouldn't last a week in a 400PS. 2day's KT88 is a 6550 in drag.

Dude, both GEC-Marconi and General Electric USA did make, and in their
current incarnations, (MPD and EEV), do make tubes that can handle
like a kajillion times worse operating conditions than have EVER
been seen in an SVT or Major. They're called transmitting tubes.
You want to put out a kilowatt of tube power? No problem, grab
some 4X150's (a design that dates from 1942) with decent ventilation
and 2KV of B+, they'll do it all day long, kick ass and take names.
The problem with those freak early 70's amps is that they were beating
up, beyond the published specs, on off the shelf tubes because,
by golly, Eimacs cost a lot of money, and they didn't want to use a
tube that people couldn't find in the tube tester in the Walgreens (or
Boots the Chemist). Don't tell me that those amps
didn't trash GEC KT88's and GE 6550A's. SVT's and V9's survived
by holding down the screen voltage to a reasonable value, and due
to some conservative designing, plenty of 70's vintage SVT's
are in regular use today, using current day off the shelf tubes.

[Like it matters...]

Post by Like it matters...

Post by Like it matters...
AND..that was when the supply of REAL KT-88s started to suck, and the
costs went up. Hard to make $$ off an amp with great tech know how
that no one would buy. Marshall later tried again with those 2000

series, using up to 8 6550's. No one wanted them either. And 2day's

Post by Like it matters...
'6550' wouldn't last a week in a 400PS. 2day's KT88 is a 6550 in drag.

Hi Ned..

Post by Like it matters...
Dude, both GEC-Marconi and General Electric USA did make, and in their
current incarnations, (MPD and EEV), do make tubes that can handle
like a kajillion times worse operating conditions than have EVER
been seen in an SVT or Major. They're called transmitting tubes.
You want to put out a kilowatt of tube power? No problem, grab
some 4X150's (a design that dates from 1942) with decent ventilation
and 2KV of B+, they'll do it all day long, kick ass and take names.

Oh yes, but the companies making the RnR amps couldn't make product
like that, with such hi voltages, AND make $$. Hell, those finned
T/Tubes can still be had today, on the net are schematics to make
monster amps, but could you see <insert company of today> making them.

Post by Like it matters...
The problem with those freak early 70's amps is that they were beating
up, beyond the published specs, on off the shelf tubes because,
by golly, Eimacs cost a lot of money, and they didn't want to use a
tube that people couldn't find in the tube tester in the Walgreens (or
Boots the Chemist).

I couldn't agree with you more, and don't forget the 1st wave of, um,
"..amp techs.." back then. Those who went to Radieo-Shuck 4 tubes.

Post by Like it matters...
...Don't tell me that those amps didn't trash GEC KT88's and GE 6550A's.

Look at those early Ampeg SVT PCBs. Hard to think any tube survived.

Post by Like it matters...
....SVT's and V9's survived
by holding down the screen voltage to a reasonable value, and due
to some conservative designing, plenty of 70's vintage SVT's
are in regular use today, using current day off the shelf tubes.

Of course they did. By the V9, Ampeg had the circuit stable(ish)
AND better tubes were used because they had too. 'techs' found
better sources for tubes, got better themselves, and many of those
freak amps were 'tweeked' to make them stable. Off the shelf SVTs
with those cap'ed 6146B (I think) tubes were an unstable amp without
a few adjustments. But when it worked, it crippled a 6550 SVT in
volume and tone. Not many of them around today, but the tubes are.



JJTj








"When you do things right, people won't be
sure you've done anything at all.."

[Rich Koerner]

Post by Ned Carlson

Post by Like it matters...
AND..that was when the supply of REAL KT-88s started to suck, and the
costs went up. Hard to make $$ off an amp with great tech know how
that no one would buy. Marshall later tried again with those 2000
series, using up to 8 6550's. No one wanted them either. And 2day's
'6550' wouldn't last a week in a 400PS. 2day's KT88 is a 6550 in drag.

Dude, both GEC-Marconi and General Electric USA did make, and in their
current incarnations, (MPD and EEV), do make tubes that can handle
like a kajillion times worse operating conditions than have EVER
been seen in an SVT or Major. They're called transmitting tubes.
You want to put out a kilowatt of tube power? No problem, grab
some 4X150's (a design that dates from 1942) with decent ventilation
and 2KV of B+, they'll do it all day long, kick ass and take names.
The problem with those freak early 70's amps is that they were beating
up, beyond the published specs, on off the shelf tubes because,
by golly, Eimacs cost a lot of money, and they didn't want to use a
tube that people couldn't find in the tube tester in the Walgreens (or
Boots the Chemist). Don't tell me that those amps
didn't trash GEC KT88's and GE 6550A's. SVT's and V9's survived
by holding down the screen voltage to a reasonable value, and due
to some conservative designing, plenty of 70's vintage SVT's
are in regular use today, using current day off the shelf tubes.
--
Ned Carlson
SW side of Chicago, USA
www.tubezone.net

Note the line current spec on this Marshall Major print for setting bias.

Loading Image...

1.25 amps is a lower line current bias adj. spec than the 2.5 amps line spec for a single pair of
6550's switched on draws in a 400-PS.

Without the pre stand by mode line current figure, you don't know what portion of the 1.25 amps
belongs to the four 6550's in the Major.

However, a factory line current spec was originally arrived at with the tubes that the amp was
designed to used. That line current is original design tube specific.

When a DIFFERENT tube from the original is used, it is most often found that the original line
current spec is too hot for the replacement tube. What is one to conclude from this?


Then, with the original factory designed full power *before clip* line current spec, you can
determin by the line current increase, and the actual output on the load, how well the output tubes
pass signal current to the load.

Loading differences and electrical energy pulled from the line not reaching the load, which usually
indicates electrical energy converted to wasted heat energy trapped somewhere, can be discovered
from line current and output load observations.




Regards,

Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com

Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

[Like it matters...]

Post by Rich Koerner
Note the line current spec on this Marshall Major print for setting bias.
http://www.drtube.com/schematics/marshall/200w.gif
1.25 amps is a lower line current bias adj. spec than the 2.5 amps line spec for a single pair of
6550's switched on draws in a 400-PS.

The Major was, from Pig days on, made for the GEC/GL KT-88. Add to that, the
Iron could (a whole lot of times) support the hand written scribe off that
schematic. Maybe (and there are other factors involved) a good 6550 would
survive the numbers, the design allowed KT-88s to loaf, and 6550s 2 try harder.

Take a 6550 SVT and use GEC KT-88s. Adjusting bias, and removing that stupid
screen diode etc, and you got more power/sound/MoJo than any of us could use.

But 6550's in a Major..or DR405..you have Bizzaro-world. KT-90 no work either.

..."..you had to of been there..."...

Post by Rich Koerner
Without the pre stand by mode line current figure, you don't know what portion of the 1.25 amps
belongs to the four 6550's in the Major.

Best mod is to isolate the preamp B+, cause no matter what it needed, the Power
section just piss'd it off. Add a separate heater tranz to any amp allows the
old PT to give all that spew to the (now drawing more spew)re-designed Class-a
hope to be. It really is all fish AND vinegar, ALL da smart boyz..they know
why.

Post by Rich Koerner
However, a factory line current spec was originally arrived at with the tubes that the amp was
designed to used. That line current is original design tube specific.

ADD to that, the x-factor of DECADES of use. Only recently, rubes had to
be convinced that oldfartdays(.com) caps died. Whatever data those days
had to deal with, is long..long..long..gone by 1984. Some ?? doing a 'bias'
adjustment when replacing tubes..? Fuck, yer IcOn (and/or sound) you want is
just not something you are willing to do right, and pay the price 2 BE there.

Post by Rich Koerner
When a DIFFERENT tube from the original is used, it is most often found that the original line
current spec is too hot for the replacement tube. What is one to conclude from this?

OldFart friend Rowdy Piper said, and I'll quote:

"..whenever you think you have all the answers, I change the questions.."

Your decades old toy has NOS (marked with awesome print) tubes, they r nuked.

YOU want the icon's sound. You want cheap tubes. You expect your IcOn amp
has not changed <chuckle> since, at best 198-de-O. No need to bias..at all.

hehehehehehehehe Shooting fish in a paper cup...

Post by Rich Koerner
Then, with the original factory designed full power *before clip* line current spec, you can
determin by the line current increase, and the actual output on the load, how well the output tubes
pass signal current to the load.

...and adjust the amp to be able to live that lifestyle...

Major's were never..ever..a 'Klipp' type of amp..which is why
they bombed <back then> Bass players loved them, Guitar..no..

Post by Rich Koerner
Loading differences and electrical energy pulled from the line not reaching the load, which usually
indicates electrical energy converted to wasted heat energy trapped somewhere, can be discovered
from line current and output load observations.

...never mind, the simple crap NOS stock part that (when built) is 1K, now
measured at 75ohms, yet looks great, never gets hot, cause it's dead.

Yet you like the sound (we all have been there). Don't rock the boat.

When I fixed Edge's AC-30 (ripped grill cloth and all) the reason it
died was simple screen resistor failure. I looked at it, inside, and
told the guy "..paying me.." that it needs major work. We both smiled,
knowing all they wanted was a band-aid fix. Seems the tech couldn't
get there in time..I was the Vox tech. He used it that nite, and even
remembered me years later, thanking me, and saying he keeps that @ home.

WHERE am I going with all this..?

"...learn..or be sold to..."


JJTj





I've been a drag racer on LSD,
and I rode bare-assed on top of the shpinx,
I even had a gorilla on the slopes of kismet,
and man, that was fun for a while you bet but...

Bikini girls with machine guns,
Bikini girls with machine guns,
that stuff will kill ya, it's loaded with fun,
Bikini girls with machine guns

well I savored many foriegn kinds of delicacies,
intoxicated til I can't tell what the hell I could see,
had all the violence and liquor within close reach,
but all bars, pills and threeways lead me back to the beach...

Bikini girls with machine guns,
Bikini girls with machine guns,
that stuff will kill ya, it's loaded with fun,
Bikini girls with machine guns

now they say that virtue is it's own reward,
but when that surf comes in I'm gunna get my board,
got my own ideas about the righteous kick,
you can keep the rewards, I'd just as soon stay sick...

[Lord Valve]

Post by Ned Carlson

Post by Like it matters...
AND..that was when the supply of REAL KT-88s started to suck, and the
costs went up. Hard to make $$ off an amp with great tech know how
that no one would buy. Marshall later tried again with those 2000
series, using up to 8 6550's. No one wanted them either. And 2day's
'6550' wouldn't last a week in a 400PS. 2day's KT88 is a 6550 in drag.

Dude, both GEC-Marconi and General Electric USA did make, and in their
current incarnations, (MPD and EEV), do make tubes that can handle
like a kajillion times worse operating conditions than have EVER
been seen in an SVT or Major. They're called transmitting tubes.
You want to put out a kilowatt of tube power? No problem, grab
some 4X150's (a design that dates from 1942) with decent ventilation
and 2KV of B+, they'll do it all day long, kick ass and take names.
The problem with those freak early 70's amps is that they were beating
up, beyond the published specs, on off the shelf tubes because,
by golly, Eimacs cost a lot of money, and they didn't want to use a
tube that people couldn't find in the tube tester in the Walgreens (or
Boots the Chemist). Don't tell me that those amps
didn't trash GEC KT88's and GE 6550A's. SVT's and V9's survived
by holding down the screen voltage to a reasonable value, and due
to some conservative designing, plenty of 70's vintage SVT's
are in regular use today, using current day off the shelf tubes.
--
Ned Carlson
SW side of Chicago, USA
www.tubezone.net

Well, at least *someone* on this goofball mother-fucker NG knows what's up.

Hi, Ned. ;-)

LV

[The Repair Guy]

Post by Lord Valve
Son, you got squat. We both know it.

Got your attention, though. Hook, line, etc.

The Repair Guy
http://repairguy1993.netfirms.com/

[Rick N. Backer]

Post by Lord Valve
Son, you got squat. We both know it.
This is all you can come up with?
YOU got any technical input on this?
Test data? Realworld results? Neither
did the NJ fuddy-duddy. His (and your)
entire argument was that "everybody knows"
this and that. Fucking myths, son. Prove
me wrong.
You can't do it. Neither can he.
I left because I had shit to do, and that's
the long and short of it. You can eat my
shorts if you don't like it, but that's the
way it is.
Lord Valve
Expert

Post by RS
The self-annointed "LV" is a competent mid-level tech, nothing more.
The rest is grandiose posturing. Truth be told, he can bias an amp
with the best of them. No argument.
When the level of his real technical expertise was exposed in his
flame-fest with Rich Koerner, he took it like a man. OK, so he ran
away. It was the right thing to do under the circumstances.
Seriously, 'LV' has decent tech chops and his amp-biasing skills are
probably very good. But now that the lack of real in-depth engineering
..."Global Warming", "Ed Sucks", "I OWN the newsgroup", etc.
The enormous effort spent trolling is a pretty transparent
acknowledgement of what really happened here.

The truth of the matter is, if anyone owns anything in this newsgroup
it's me. And it's LV' s fat wanker ass I'm the owner of. Read it and
weep Willy.