Discussion:
5U4GB vs. GZ34/5AR4
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GP
2008-03-27 22:19:16 UTC
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I don't know why but I always get these two confused.

Which one would you expect to get more sag from?

5U4GB

GZ34/5AR4
tinyurl.com/2hj395/
2008-03-27 22:21:06 UTC
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Post by GP
I don't know why but I always get these two confused.
Which one would you expect to get more sag from?
5U4GB
GZ34/5AR4
GZ34/5AR4 (at least in a '59 Bassman 5F6A R.I.) mvm
GP
2008-03-27 23:23:21 UTC
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Post by tinyurl.com/2hj395/
Post by GP
I don't know why but I always get these two confused.
Which one would you expect to get more sag from?
5U4GB
GZ34/5AR4
GZ34/5AR4 (at least in a '59 Bassman 5F6A R.I.) mvm
The other person responding is saying the opposite. Can you describe
why G34/5AR4 gives more sag?
J.P.
2008-03-27 23:35:52 UTC
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Post by GP
Post by tinyurl.com/2hj395/
Post by GP
I don't know why but I always get these two confused.
Which one would you expect to get more sag from?
5U4GB
GZ34/5AR4
GZ34/5AR4 (at least in a '59 Bassman 5F6A R.I.) mvm
The other person responding is saying the opposite. Can you describe
why G34/5AR4 gives more sag?
Listening to Musikverein Müselbach (mvm) will get you in trouble. That
thing is a troll and lost his way in AGA.
François Yves Le Gal
2008-03-27 22:33:41 UTC
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Post by GP
Which one would you expect to get more sag from?
Sag is mainly a function of series resistance. A valve with highish plate R
(and associated voltage drop) will cause significant sag. 5U4GB > 5AR4 >
silicon.
GP
2008-03-27 22:51:26 UTC
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Post by François Yves Le Gal
Post by GP
Which one would you expect to get more sag from?
Sag is mainly a function of series resistance. A valve with highish plate R
(and associated voltage drop) will cause significant sag. 5U4GB > 5AR4 >
silicon.
I think you are saying the 5U4GB has more sag. If so, what you are
saying seems to contradict the previous response to the question. So I
guess I'm still confused!
François Yves Le Gal
2008-03-27 23:09:42 UTC
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Post by GP
I think you are saying the 5U4GB has more sag.
It causes more sag. Yes.
Post by GP
If so, what you are
saying seems to contradict the previous response to the question
T H I N K.


.
GP
2008-03-27 23:19:54 UTC
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Post by François Yves Le Gal
Post by GP
I think you are saying the 5U4GB has more sag.
It causes more sag. Yes.
Post by GP
If so, what you are
saying seems to contradict the previous response to the question
T H I N K.
.
Come on... No reason to be insulting. Someone just said the complete
opposite of you. I asked a question and get two people giving
contradictory answers. I was just trying to get clarification. If it
is such a pain for you, no response is better than an insulting one.
Steve L
2008-03-27 23:58:16 UTC
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Unfortunately, bad attitude is a fact of life on AGA.

Here are some specs from one of the Gerald Weber books:

5AR4 - 250 mA
5U4GB - 275mA

I am no expert on this, but it seems from the specs that the 5U4GB is the
more robust tube (at least a little), and so I would expect the 5AR4 quiped
amp to experience more sag. But like I said, I am no expert.
Post by GP
Post by François Yves Le Gal
Post by GP
I think you are saying the 5U4GB has more sag.
It causes more sag. Yes.
Post by GP
If so, what you are saying seems to contradict the previous response to
the question
T H I N K.
.
Come on... No reason to be insulting. Someone just said the complete
opposite of you. I asked a question and get two people giving
contradictory answers. I was just trying to get clarification. If it is
such a pain for you, no response is better than an insulting one.
KingofTone
2008-03-28 00:26:32 UTC
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Those Gerald Weber specs are for max dc output current, and really
don't have anything to do with sag. François Yves Le Gal is correct
in that it is a function of internal plate resistance, and he's again
right on 5U4GB > 5AR4 > silicon.

Sean
KingofTone
2008-03-28 00:36:42 UTC
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Those Gerald Weber numbers you're quoting are for Max DC Output
Current, and have nothing to do with sag. François Yves Le Gal put it
perfectly in his first post - increased internal resistance is heard
as increased sag, and 5U4GB > 5AR4 > silicon.

Sean
François Yves Le Gal
2008-03-28 09:44:49 UTC
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Post by Steve L
I am no expert on this, but it seems from the specs that the 5U4GB is the
more robust tube (at least a little), and so I would expect the 5AR4 quiped
amp to experience more sag.
Sag is mainly function of plate impedance at a given output current *not*
maximum output current.. Voltage drop reflects plate Z.

At 100 mA current thru the valve, we have app. 180 ohms per plate for a
5U4GB and 55 ohms for a 5AR4. The 5U4GB drops more voltage than the 5AR4 =>
more sag.
J.P.
2008-03-28 18:12:41 UTC
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On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:44:49 +0100, François Yves Le Gal
Post by François Yves Le Gal
Post by Steve L
I am no expert on this, but it seems from the specs that the 5U4GB is the
more robust tube (at least a little), and so I would expect the 5AR4 quiped
amp to experience more sag.
Sag is mainly function of plate impedance at a given output current *not*
maximum output current.. Voltage drop reflects plate Z.
At 100 mA current thru the valve, we have app. 180 ohms per plate for a
5U4GB and 55 ohms for a 5AR4. The 5U4GB drops more voltage than the 5AR4 =>
more sag.
Duh ...That souns lodgikal... Katnip
tinyurl.com/2hj395/
2008-03-29 00:15:51 UTC
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Post by J.P.
Duh ...That souns lodgikal... Katnip
Stephen Cowell
2008-03-28 00:04:42 UTC
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Post by GP
Post by François Yves Le Gal
Post by GP
I think you are saying the 5U4GB has more sag.
It causes more sag. Yes.
Post by GP
If so, what you are saying seems to contradict the previous response to
the question
T H I N K.
Come on... No reason to be insulting. Someone just said the complete
opposite of you. I asked a question and get two people giving
contradictory answers. I was just trying to get clarification. If it is
such a pain for you, no response is better than an insulting one.
Welcome to UseNet... around here, you'll get bullshit as often as not.
You got a response. If you'd only Google it, you'd get umpty-odd
hits on it. Let's try that...

google 5u4 5ar4 sag

Hmmm... 627 hits. Wow, you don't even have to go to them...
here's some of the text I get for the links:

1.) if you bias with the 5AR4,you can sub in the 5U4 and not worry.The 5U4
has more sag and

3.) Tonewise the 5u4 tube has more sag than the 5ar4

4.) the 5U4 rectifier gives more sag and earlier break up than a 5AR4 - to
my ears ...

5.) Case in point: A '59 Fender Bassman: 5U4/5U4G = 35-40 wrms output (used
for "sag") 5AR4 = 45-50 wrms SS Diode "Cheater Plug" = 50 wrms

6.) If you go the other way, and put a 5u4 in where a 5ar4 belongs, you'll
just have low plate voltage, more sag, and

7.) And what do people hate about 5u4, I read they sag more at high volumes


So, you *do* look clueless, don't you? Or perhaps you're trolling...
__
Steve
.
GP
2008-03-28 00:24:38 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cowell
Post by GP
Post by François Yves Le Gal
Post by GP
I think you are saying the 5U4GB has more sag.
It causes more sag. Yes.
Post by GP
If so, what you are saying seems to contradict the previous response to
the question
T H I N K.
Come on... No reason to be insulting. Someone just said the complete
opposite of you. I asked a question and get two people giving
contradictory answers. I was just trying to get clarification. If it is
such a pain for you, no response is better than an insulting one.
Welcome to UseNet... around here, you'll get bullshit as often as not.
You got a response. If you'd only Google it, you'd get umpty-odd
hits on it. Let's try that...
google 5u4 5ar4 sag
Hmmm... 627 hits. Wow, you don't even have to go to them...
1.) if you bias with the 5AR4,you can sub in the 5U4 and not worry.The 5U4
has more sag and
3.) Tonewise the 5u4 tube has more sag than the 5ar4
4.) the 5U4 rectifier gives more sag and earlier break up than a 5AR4 - to
my ears ...
5.) Case in point: A '59 Fender Bassman: 5U4/5U4G = 35-40 wrms output (used
for "sag") 5AR4 = 45-50 wrms SS Diode "Cheater Plug" = 50 wrms
6.) If you go the other way, and put a 5u4 in where a 5ar4 belongs, you'll
just have low plate voltage, more sag, and
7.) And what do people hate about 5u4, I read they sag more at high volumes
So, you *do* look clueless, don't you? Or perhaps you're trolling...
__
Steve
.
I had done a google search and began reading and just thought I should
just ask directly a group of people who like the topic and enjoy
answering questions and sharing knowledge in a friendly way. It looks
like you are correct. That was a pretty clueless idea. How retarded of
me to think such a thing. This board is generally more about people
getting out hostility built up in their 'lives'. Kind of sad really...
Elvis Kabong
2008-03-28 05:07:24 UTC
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Post by GP
Post by Stephen Cowell
Post by GP
Post by François Yves Le Gal
Post by GP
I think you are saying the 5U4GB has more sag.
It causes more sag. Yes.
Post by GP
If so, what you are saying seems to contradict the previous response
to the question
T H I N K.
Come on... No reason to be insulting. Someone just said the complete
opposite of you. I asked a question and get two people giving
contradictory answers. I was just trying to get clarification. If it
is such a pain for you, no response is better than an insulting one.
Welcome to UseNet... around here, you'll get bullshit as often as not.
You got a response. If you'd only Google it, you'd get umpty-odd
hits on it. Let's try that...
google 5u4 5ar4 sag
Hmmm... 627 hits. Wow, you don't even have to go to them...
1.) if you bias with the 5AR4,you can sub in the 5U4 and not worry.The
5U4 has more sag and
3.) Tonewise the 5u4 tube has more sag than the 5ar4
4.) the 5U4 rectifier gives more sag and earlier break up than a 5AR4 -
to my ears ...
5.) Case in point: A '59 Fender Bassman: 5U4/5U4G = 35-40 wrms output
(used for "sag") 5AR4 = 45-50 wrms SS Diode "Cheater Plug" = 50 wrms
6.) If you go the other way, and put a 5u4 in where a 5ar4 belongs,
you'll just have low plate voltage, more sag, and
7.) And what do people hate about 5u4, I read they sag more at high volumes
So, you *do* look clueless, don't you? Or perhaps you're trolling...
__
Steve
.
I had done a google search and began reading and just thought I should
just ask directly a group of people who like the topic and enjoy answering
questions and sharing knowledge in a friendly way. It looks like you are
correct. That was a pretty clueless idea. How retarded of me to think
such a thing. This board is generally more about people getting out
hostility built up in their 'lives'. Kind of sad really...
Man, you as someone new has no idea about how the people
who have been coming here for years have become bored
with answering the same basic questions over and over again.

Not only that, your reaction to the suggestion of one poster
for you to THINK was uncalled for. That same poster had
given you the answer in his previous post.
Repeating it: "Sag is mainly a function of series resistance. A valve with
highish plate R
(and associated voltage drop) will cause significant sag."
tinyurl.com/2hj395/
2008-03-28 01:30:52 UTC
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Post by François Yves Le Gal
Post by GP
I think you are saying the 5U4GB has more sag.
It causes more sag. Yes.
Post by GP
 If so, what you are
saying seems to contradict the previous response to the question
T H I N K.
.  
   Come on... No reason to be insulting.  Someone just said the complete
opposite of you.  I asked a question and get two people giving
contradictory answers.    I was just trying to get clarification. If it
is such a pain for you, no response is better than an insulting one.
Unfortunately, this ng is biased toward mentally ill behavior from
angry, frustrated losers GP. There's a 'whole picture' here.

I was incorrect and I apologize- _All_things_being_equal_ you'd get
less headroom (earlier breakup), more sag/slower rise times
(compression), looser bass, and less voltage w/ a 5Y3 and more
headroom, faster response, tighter bass, and more voltage with a GZ34.
*HOWEVER!* The issue is really power level of your amp...look here;

http://www.valvette.us/tube_types.html

I was thinking SS vs. GZ34. The GZ34 produces more sag. The nice thing
about tube rectifiers is that there *are* several types.........
5AR4(=GZ34), 5V4, 5R4, 5Y3.......which will progressivley lower the
voltage and increase sag and reduce clean headroom. so there's a
'palette' to choose from. 'Sag' is really the same thing as
'compression'........it means the front edge of the note will be
reduced in relation to the back end.......less aggressive 'attack'.
Power supplies dump their energy when you strike a note/cord, the
recovery time can be fast, or slow depending on the design of the
entire circuit. With slower recovery times, you get a natural
compression when the tubes are conducting hard, and musical notes will
hold longer. The supply voltage drops when the note is played, as the
note starts to decay, the supply voltage is recovering raising the
gain back up. This is where you get compression. However, slow
recovery power supplies can cause a muddy sound, especially in lower
voltage supplies, and cathode biased output stages. When the supply
recovers fast, the attack is increased, and lower frequencies will be
tigther/bolder. If the power supply is too stiff/fast, notes will
decay quicker, and the "touch/feel/sensitivity" thing will be
lifeless.
Regards,
mvm
http://tinyurl.com/32j32m
Claude V. Lucas
2008-03-28 02:14:30 UTC
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In article <c3f3e935-0ccf-4f8c-bf29-***@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Obamamania drove Marc Mulay, phony veteran and sad, pathetic asshole who is
Post by tinyurl.com/2hj395/
Unfortunately, this ng is biased toward mentally ill behavior from
angry, frustrated losers like me. There's a 'whole picture' here.
Good to see you are making progress, Marc.

Just don't forget those pills.
J.P.
2008-03-28 03:07:39 UTC
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Post by Claude V. Lucas
Obamamania drove Marc Mulay, phony veteran and sad, pathetic asshole who is
Post by tinyurl.com/2hj395/
Unfortunately, this ng is biased toward mentally ill behavior from
angry, frustrated losers like me. There's a 'whole picture' here.
Good to see you are making progress, Marc.
Just don't forget those pills.
I'm biased at a non amp techie type giving out dangerous amp techie
type advice...go back to alt.guitar with Keith and Wereo where you
belong..you are a guitar player wannabe, not an amp tech or even a
wannabe amp tech.Go with what you know. And you do not know amps.So
your presence here is just trolling.Go before you get some newby
killed with your ignorance.
Claude V. Lucas
2008-03-28 03:09:25 UTC
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Post by J.P.
Post by Claude V. Lucas
Obamamania drove Marc Mulay, phony veteran and sad, pathetic asshole who is
Post by tinyurl.com/2hj395/
Unfortunately, this ng is biased toward mentally ill behavior from
angry, frustrated losers like me. There's a 'whole picture' here.
Good to see you are making progress, Marc.
Just don't forget those pills.
I'm biased at a non amp techie type giving out dangerous amp techie
type advice...go back to alt.guitar with Keith and Wereo where you
belong..you are a guitar player wannabe, not an amp tech or even a
wannabe amp tech.Go with what you know. And you do not know amps.So
your presence here is just trolling.Go before you get some newby
killed with your ignorance.
?que?
J.P.
2008-03-28 03:30:33 UTC
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Post by J.P.
Post by Claude V. Lucas
Obamamania drove Marc Mulay, phony veteran and sad, pathetic asshole who is
Post by tinyurl.com/2hj395/
Unfortunately, this ng is biased toward mentally ill behavior from
angry, frustrated losers like me. There's a 'whole picture' here.
Good to see you are making progress, Marc.
Just don't forget those pills.
I'm biased at a non amp techie type giving out dangerous amp techie
type advice...go back to alt.guitar with Keith and Wereo where you
belong..you are a guitar player wannabe, not an amp tech or even a
wannabe amp tech.Go with what you know. And you do not know amps.So
your presence here is just trolling.Go before you get some newby
killed with your ignorance.
?que?
mvm ..the anti tech
Claude V. Lucas
2008-03-28 03:44:41 UTC
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Post by J.P.
Post by J.P.
Post by Claude V. Lucas
Obamamania drove Marc Mulay, phony veteran and sad, pathetic asshole who is
Post by tinyurl.com/2hj395/
Unfortunately, this ng is biased toward mentally ill behavior from
angry, frustrated losers like me. There's a 'whole picture' here.
Good to see you are making progress, Marc.
Just don't forget those pills.
I'm biased at a non amp techie type giving out dangerous amp techie
type advice...go back to alt.guitar with Keith and Wereo where you
belong..you are a guitar player wannabe, not an amp tech or even a
wannabe amp tech.Go with what you know. And you do not know amps.So
your presence here is just trolling.Go before you get some newby
killed with your ignorance.
?que?
mvm ..the anti tech
Ah.
tinyurl.com/2hj395/
2008-03-28 04:26:21 UTC
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Post by J.P.
Post by Claude V. Lucas
Obamamania drove Marc Mulay, phony veteran and sad, pathetic asshole who is
Post by tinyurl.com/2hj395/
Unfortunately, this ng is biased toward mentally ill behavior from
angry, frustrated losers like me. There's a 'whole picture' here.
I'm biased
Your hatred and negativity define you. Simmer! :-) mvm
tinyurl.com/2hj395/
2008-03-28 04:25:19 UTC
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Post by Claude V. Lucas
Good to see
It'd be interesting to hear anything you've ever played, anything on
amps, guitars, gear, music etc. etc. your addiction to neocon politics
or me just bores the tears out of everyone except you. mvm
Claude V. Lucas
2008-03-28 04:45:19 UTC
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In article <9e2f9552-2842-434b-b523-***@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Obamamania drove Marc Mulay, phony veteran and sad, pathetic asshole who is
Post by tinyurl.com/2hj395/
Post by Claude V. Lucas
Good to see
It'd be interesting to hear anything you've ever played, anything on
amps, guitars, gear, music etc. etc. your addiction to neocon politics
or me just bores the tears out of everyone except you. mvm
It be interesting to hear anything *you* ever played or wrote that
wasn't stolen from elsewhere, other than your ongoing sad, pathetic
fantasies of child abuse. Your addiction to serial bullshittery and
ankle humping your betters just bores the tears out of everyone.

When they're finished laughing at you, that is.

--
If you respond to every post someone else makes, they're obsessed.
If they respond to less than 1% of your posts, they're even more obsessed.

The WAY of the K00k.

http://fravia.com/way_kook.htm
tinyurl.com/2hj395/
2008-03-28 05:23:03 UTC
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[s.p.a. / etc. etc.]
Over and over you go, in a perpetual "bwahahah / lol" type cycle. Same
taunts, same bullshit. You're old and tired and
type the exact same old and tired stuff over and over again, year
after year.
My guitar playing is cleanly and clearly audible whether rhythm, lead
or both in every tune http://tinyurl.com/2hj395 Your
same 'ol, same 'ol babbling, that of poor william and a few other
demented haters doesn't change a thing. If it weren't for
the fact that several of you are pathologically ill and locked in some
sort of self-loathing / outer directed hate loop beyond reason, I'd
continue with the usual equally dull drop kicks your way...
It'd be interesting to hear anything you've ever played, or play today
(it's clear that you don't anymore) anything on amps, guitars, gear,
music etc. etc. your addiction to neocon politics or me just bores the
tears out of everyone except you.
With luck, the OP has been able to discern an answer to his 5U4GB
vs.GZ34/5AR4 question through the meaningless drivel you and a few
other irrepairably damaged individuals perpetually vomit up at every
opportunity.
It's a free internet. With "free" comes inpurities. You're a YP. mvm
Claude V. Lucas
2008-03-28 05:34:19 UTC
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In article <8c03a0ae-b36a-40de-941c-***@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Obamadementia drove Marc Mulay, phony veteran and sad, pathetic asshole who is
[s.p.a. / etc. etc.]
Over and over I go, in a perpetual "cub scout / webelo" type cycle. Same
taunts, same bullshit. I'm old and tired and sad and pathetic and I
type the exact same old and tired stuff over and over again, year
after year.
My guitar playing is cleanly and clearly pathetic whether rhythm, lead
or both in every tune http://tinyurl.com/2hj395 My
same 'ol, same 'ol babbling, that of poor me and a few other
demented haters doesn't change a thing. If it weren't for
the fact that I am pathologically ill and locked in some
sort of self-loathing / outer directed hate loop beyond reason, I'd
continue with the usual equally dull drop kicks your way...
With luck, the OP has been able to discern an answer to his 5U4GB
vs.GZ34/5AR4 question through the meaningless drivel I and a few
other irrepairably damaged individuals perpetually vomit up at every
opportunity.
Hopefully he didn't listen to *your* ass backwards explanation.
It's a free internet. With "free" comes inpurities. You're a YP. mvm
You bleat, the world laughs.

Same as it always is and will always be, Asshopper.
tinyurl.com/2hj395/
2008-03-28 06:27:08 UTC
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Post by Claude V. Lucas
Same as it always is and will always be
Unfortunately, this ng is biased toward mentally ill behavior from
angry, frustrated losers GP. There's a 'whole picture' here.

I was incorrect and I apologize- I was thinking SS vs. GZ34. In THAT
case, the GZ34 produces more sag.

_All_things_being_equal_ you'd get less headroom (earlier breakup),
more sag/slower rise times (compression), looser bass, and less
voltage w/ a 5Y3 and more headroom, faster response, tighter bass, and
more voltage with a GZ34.

*HOWEVER!* The issue is really power level of your amp...look here;

http://www.valvette.us/tube_types.html

The nice thing about tube rectifiers is that there *are* several
types....5AR4(=GZ34), 5V4, 5R4, 5Y3..which will progressivley lower
the voltage and increase sag and reduce clean headroom. so there's a
'palette' to choose from. 'Sag' is really the same thing as
'compression'...it means the front edge of the note will be reduced in
relation to the trailing edge..less aggressive 'attack'.

Power supplies dump their energy when you strike a note/cord,
therecovery time can be fast, or slow depending on the design of the
entire circuit. With slower recovery times, you get a natural
compression when the tubes are conducting hard, and musical notes will
hold longer. The supply voltage drops when the note is played, as the
note starts to decay, the supply voltage is recovering raising the
gain back up. This is where you get compression.

However, slow recovery power supplies can cause a muddy sound,
especially in lower voltage supplies, and cathode biased output
stages. When the supply recovers fast, the attack is increased, and
lower frequencies will be tigther/bolder. If the power supply is too
stiff/fast, notes will decay quicker, and the "touch/feel/sensitivity"
thing will be lifeless.

Regards,

mvm

http://tinyurl.com/32j32m
http://tinyurl.com/2hj395
Claude V. Lucas
2008-03-28 06:35:49 UTC
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Obamamania drove Marc Mulay, phony veteran and sad, pathetic asshole who is
Post by Claude V. Lucas
Same as it always is and will always be
Unfortunately, this ng is biased against mentally ill behavior from
angry, frustrated losers like me.
LOL
tinyurl.com/2hj395/
2008-03-28 14:39:18 UTC
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Unfortunately, this ng is biased against mentally ill behavior from
angry, frustrated losers like me.
François Yves Le Gal
2008-03-28 09:27:33 UTC
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Post by GP
Come on... No reason to be insulting.
Huh?
Peter Alerich
2008-03-28 00:05:25 UTC
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Post by GP
Post by François Yves Le Gal
Post by GP
Which one would you expect to get more sag from?
Sag is mainly a function of series resistance. A valve with highish plate R
(and associated voltage drop) will cause significant sag. 5U4GB > 5AR4 >
silicon.
I think you are saying the 5U4GB has more sag. If so, what you are
saying seems to contradict the previous response to the question. So I
guess I'm still confused!
Typical Rectifier voltage drops

5Y3 -60 volts @ 125 mA
5U4GB -50 volts @ 275 mA
5U4 -44 volts @ 225 mA
5V4 -25 volts @ 175 mA
5AR4 -17 volts @ 225 mA

They will sag most from top to bottom.

Don't listen ot tiny url.

Peter
GP
2008-03-28 01:25:09 UTC
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Post by Peter Alerich
Typical Rectifier voltage drops
They will sag most from top to bottom.
Don't listen ot tiny url.
Peter
Clear and to the point.
Thank you sir.
jh
2008-03-28 06:38:25 UTC
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Post by GP
Post by François Yves Le Gal
Post by GP
Which one would you expect to get more sag from?
Sag is mainly a function of series resistance. A valve with highish plate R
(and associated voltage drop) will cause significant sag. 5U4GB > 5AR4 >
silicon.
I think you are saying the 5U4GB has more sag. If so, what you are
saying seems to contradict the previous response to the question. So I
guess I'm still confused!
the other person might be W R O N G

think about that

Jochen
François Yves Le Gal
2008-03-28 09:50:41 UTC
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Post by jh
think about that
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Be careful, "think" seems to be an insult for some people here...
:-)
TD Madden
2008-03-29 13:32:31 UTC
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Post by François Yves Le Gal
Post by jh
think about that
http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/images/ibm-think-sign.JPG
Be careful, "think" seems to be an insult for some people here...
:-)
Hey, I've got one those somewhere!

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