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Crate V18-112 mini review
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c***@gmail.com
2008-09-11 02:15:34 UTC
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I've been a fan of certain Crate amps for a long time. Despite their
numerous quality and repair issues, they usually manage to sound
pretty good, and a few (the VC30/V3112) have achieved a sort of cult
status. They really good ones are tone monsters, and if you got one
made in the middle of the week, you got yourself a player. I have no
idea if that will hold true for my newest acquisition, bought as a
birthday lark -the V18. MusiciansFiend is blowing them out just now
for a ridiculous $149.99, delivered. (I could spend a few paragraphs
deriding the evils of global consumerist product dumping, but that's a
post for another day.) This was too good to pass up, based on having
played one a while back, when they were going for $450.

First -fit and finish. TIn this category, they are, as LV would say,
absolute poo. Everything on them is plastic, the cab is 1/2 inch
fiberboard, the tolex ain't, and the guts are about $2.00 worth of
PCB. It is set up in the typical Crate fashion -meaning you pretty
much have to pull the chassis to get at the tubes or even see the
transformers. They are not, by the way, beefy. There is a decent
sounding (not special mind you) Chinese 12" ceramic speaker, a line
out, and a supremely honky spring reverb that sounds pretty good at 1,
and again at 7 or so, but not anywhere else. The whole thing looks a
lot better in the catalog pics than it does in person. The tubes are
Chinese made 12AX7s (3 of 'em) and 2 EL84s, again Chinese. I've heard
several reports that claim the amp improves vastly when the speaker
and tubes are upgraded.

But that's what Crate is about these days - they've shaved costs to
the minimum and while it shows when you look at it, it doesn't show
nearly so much when you listen. Crate claims a 'Brit vibe' for this
amp. Bosh. They clearly want a piece of the AC30 market, but this
ain't it at all. Maybe the analogous Laney -a far ballsier sounding
amp imnsho. The amp has a darkish sound, wherever you set the
minimally responsive three band EQ. It never does get bright and
chirpy or shimmery. On the other hand, it produces a quite credibly
bluesy roar when you dial it up a bit. It handles single rail power
chords with some real class. The notes arrive well defined and evenly
balanced from my ASAT Thinline. When pushed into a neck pickup all out
lead, it truly sings. Absolutely righteous tone with lotsa volume.
When dialed back to moderate levels it retains most of its character,
again producing articulate full and partial chord response that
reminds me quite a bit of the old Blues Deluxe. The most entertasining
feature on this amp mayt be its gain knob. Whatever they did, they
managed to get that right. You can set gain from 0 to 10 and hear a
very different sound at each turn of the knob. When you give it lots
of gain, you get a very deep and dark overdrive that somehow still
manages to cut like it ought to.

That's about all I intend to say about the amp. I like how it sounds,
and will probably even gig it a couple of times -but that isn't why I
bought it. I don't trust the construction enough to subject it to a
lot of banging around. This time it was price that got me, and I don't
regret it one bit. If the amp survives for five years I'll be able to
sell it for twice what I paid. One other positive note: according to
my wife, it's WAY too loud. I call that a pretty good start.

Chuck
Rootworker
2008-09-12 16:31:43 UTC
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That's very encouraging info, considering that I'm sitting here
waiting for the Roadway Express guy to show up with the Crate V18-112
I ordered from Musician's Fiend this past Tuesday.

Been waiting to accumulate the dough to cart my trusty old Sundown
over to Dennis Kager in Edison, NJ for repair/refurbishment (currently
blowing fuses after 5 minutes or so), but I figured the $149 would be
less than it would cost me between gas and the repair bill, and this
way I'll have a nice little practice amp. (Been playing through Native
Instruments Guitar Rig on my computer for the past 6 months or so.)

I also read about the advisability of changing tubes and speakers.
I'll probably borrow one of the Celestion G12Hs from my Sundown
extension cabinet for the time being & see if it makes a real big
difference.

Also -- just getting ready to think about playing out a bit after 20+
years of neglect, and that Sundown is WAY heavy with the 15" JBL I put
in there, and at 100W, way more power than I need. This Crate seemed
like a decent unit for shlepping around.

Joe
http://www.rootwerx.com
c***@gmail.com
2008-09-12 17:18:14 UTC
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Post by Rootworker
That's very encouraging info, considering that I'm sitting here
waiting for the Roadway Express guy to show up with the Crate V18-112
I ordered from Musician's Fiend this past Tuesday.
Been waiting to accumulate the dough to cart my trusty old Sundown
over to Dennis Kager in Edison, NJ for repair/refurbishment (currently
blowing fuses after 5 minutes or so), but I figured the $149 would be
less than it would cost me between gas and the repair bill, and this
way I'll have a nice little practice amp. (Been playing through Native
Instruments Guitar Rig on my computer for the past 6 months or so.)
I also read about the advisability of changing tubes and speakers.
I'll probably borrow one of the Celestion G12Hs from my Sundown
extension cabinet for the time being & see if it makes a real big
difference.
Also -- just getting ready to think about playing out a bit after 20+
years of neglect, and that Sundown is WAY heavy with the 15" JBL I put
in there, and at 100W, way more power than I need. This Crate seemed
like a decent unit for shlepping around.
Joehttp://www.rootwerx.com
I think you'll like the sound quite a bit.I'm pretty suspicious about
the amp's durability though. Still, for a buck fifty it's a great
sounding amp.
Chuck
Rootworker
2008-09-16 18:06:28 UTC
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Well, it took a few days longer than expected (thank you Roadway
Express!), but it showed up about an hour ago (Tuesday).

I have to say, I'm quite impressed with the sound after having just
dabbled with it for a half hour or so. Clean sound is nice and round,
overdrive manages to not should like a cheap fuzz box -- my main
objection to many low-cost amps. Not bad looking, either. As has been
pointed out, who knows how it would stand up to the rigors of road
use, but then, I've never been all that hard on my gear anyway -- pop
it in the trunk of the car, carry it in, play it . . . It'll probably
spend most of its life in my house anyway.

I've read that upgrading the speaker and going for premium tubes makes
a big difference. I had planned on putting a G12H Celestion in it,
but after removing them, I discovered that they're both 16-Ohm (as I
would expect in a 2X12 cabinet, had I stopped to think about it), so
that slams that idea. I'll try running the amp through the 2X12
cabinet and see if I notice a big difference in tone. Maybe I'll see
if I can hook up with someone interested in swapping an 8-ohm for my
16.

Likewise, I can experiment with the GT 12ax7s from the Sundown (which
are pretty new), and see if the difference is actually noticable. And
EL84s are pretty cheap...

Pretty loud, too. I suspect it could keep up with a drummer, if you
didn't need a lot of clean headroom.

Joe
http://www.rootwerx.com
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Post by Rootworker
That's very encouraging info, considering that I'm sitting here
waiting for the Roadway Express guy to show up with the Crate V18-112
I ordered from Musician's Fiend this past Tuesday.
Been waiting to accumulate the dough to cart my trusty old Sundown
over to Dennis Kager in Edison, NJ for repair/refurbishment (currently
blowing fuses after 5 minutes or so), but I figured the $149 would be
less than it would cost me between gas and the repair bill, and this
way I'll have a nice little practice amp. (Been playing through Native
Instruments Guitar Rig on my computer for the past 6 months or so.)
I also read about the advisability of changing tubes and speakers.
I'll probably borrow one of the Celestion G12Hs from my Sundown
extension cabinet for the time being & see if it makes a real big
difference.
Also -- just getting ready to think about playing out a bit after 20+
years of neglect, and that Sundown is WAY heavy with the 15" JBL I put
in there, and at 100W, way more power than I need. This Crate seemed
like a decent unit for shlepping around.
Joehttp://www.rootwerx.com
I think you'll like the sound quite a bit.I'm pretty suspicious about
the amp's durability though. Still, for a buck fifty it's a great
sounding amp.
Chuck
c***@gmail.com
2008-10-16 03:07:44 UTC
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Here's a quick and dirty 'after' gig report on the Crate V18.
I took it to a small outdoor (bar patio) gig, along with a back up, of
course. Over all, it performed well -good volume and breakup, same
issues as noted previously with the rather strange reverb (which is,
BTW, analog, NOT chip driven). I thought the amp sounded great for
three of the five sets we played that night. By the fourth set it was
getting downright dirty, regardless of any of the EQ setting. Those
EL84s were hot, and you could hear it. The sound started to get rangy
and imprecise, even when I dialed it back and played a little softer.
OTOH, when I started playing slide, the sound was just right. I'd give
it a C+ over 5 sets, but it would have had a solid B over three sets.
It's still a cheap ass amp, and I'm just not going to buy much more
throwaway Chinese stuff, but at $149 delivered, it 's a hell of a
bargain if you want a decent sounding tube amp. Almost forgot -I liked
it a LOT better with my ASAT Classic than I did with my 335 copy. I
thought the single rails had a lot more definition that the
humbuckers. YMMV.
Chuck

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