Discussion:
Peavey classic 30 8 ohm speaker?
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dave
2004-11-25 12:45:46 UTC
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Hi. I have one of these amps and it has a 16 ohm speaker with an 8 ohm
speaker out. I was wondering if I could exchange the 16 ohm speaker with an
8 ohm without doing damage to the amp. Thanks for any help...Dave
mark
2004-11-25 18:55:39 UTC
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Post by dave
Hi. I have one of these amps and it has a 16 ohm speaker with an 8 ohm
speaker out. I was wondering if I could exchange the 16 ohm speaker with an
8 ohm without doing damage to the amp. Thanks for any help...Dave
I used to own one of these amps. I got hosed on a used purchase of one
of them, as the one I had was screwed up when I bought it and I had no
idea. Should have known better. FWIW - this was an in-person deal too,
not an ebay deal.

Mine was advertised as having a Vintage Celestion 30 in it. After I
bought it and got it home, I realized that it was an 8ohm speaker and
that that was the wrong impedance for that amp. Peavey does a piss poor
job explaining the whole impedance business with those amps, as
depending on which line in the instructions or their marketing materials
you read, they make like it can handle an 8 ohm speaker just fine. Every
tech I spoke with on this, and I posted in this NG a while back when I
still had my classic 30 this very question, said that the transformer
may suffer and that it is a bad idea. I didn't believe them, figuring
they were making too big a deal out of it. The amp never "blew up", so I
just assumed it was working fine. Though I never really liked the sound
of it when it was turned up past 3 on the volume, and it never sounded
nearly as good as the new ones that I would try in the stores from time
to time. FOr a while I considered ditching mine and buying a brand new
one, or just selling the vintage 30 speaker and getting one of the cheap
peavey speakers that come in the new ones. I figured that was the
problem with the amp- the speaker. Yes, I tried JJ tubes too (didn't
like em at all).

Eventually, I sold the amp used. Told the buyer about the speaker
impedance thing, and he said it didn't matter to him as he was a
collector and just bought tons of amps and sold ema all the time. I got
a very good price for it, more than I paid. A couple fo weeks after he
received it I emailed him asking him how he liked the amp. He emailed
back saying it's great, and thanks, etc. For whatever reason we emailed
back and forth a few times later (I think I asked him about the tubes or
something), and that's when I mentioned to me in passing that the
classic 30 I sold him was running on only 2 of the 4 power tubes, and
that the impedance of the amp was screwed up. Something about there were
a couple of open solder trace runs on the circuit board. I apologized
and asked him why he didn't say anything before, and he replied by
saying that he knew it wasn't something I knew about because it happens
all the time with the peavey classics. He said another problem was the
8ohm speaker overheating the thing.

Now, I don't know whether the amp was like that when I got it or not, or
if the "impedance was screwed up" was actually intended by the dope who
I bought it from who rigged it so that the 8ohm speaker matched the amp.
I have no idea about such things. All I know is this - I would never
mismatch a speaker in that amp. And I will most likely buy another one
(a new one as their is a shop near me selling them new for $419 - only
75 more than ebay with shipping).

FWIW - just before I sold the amp, I did buy a new speaker for it. An
Eminence Legend GB12, 50 watt greenback clone, for only $39 from Dave at
www.avatarspeakers.com - excellent price and excellent service. Since I
sold the amp before putting the speaker in, I had no use for a 16 ohm
speaker so I ebay'd it. I recommend you just get a decent speaker from
avatar that is 16ohms and be done with it.

mark
lapierretremblay
2004-11-26 01:10:51 UTC
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HI,
I owned one since 10 years playing in small clud (sometime miked) and last
gig i put a 2X12 marshall 16 ohms at the external connector and it work
great, now i have a bigger sound. I have plenty of power at 6. Thanks for
the cue i will check the pc board for open trace.
regards
Post by dave
Hi. I have one of these amps and it has a 16 ohm speaker with an 8 ohm
speaker out. I was wondering if I could exchange the 16 ohm speaker with
an 8 ohm without doing damage to the amp. Thanks for any help...Dave
I used to own one of these amps. I got hosed on a used purchase of one of
them, as the one I had was screwed up when I bought it and I had no idea.
Should have known better. FWIW - this was an in-person deal too, not an
ebay deal.
Mine was advertised as having a Vintage Celestion 30 in it. After I bought
it and got it home, I realized that it was an 8ohm speaker and that that
was the wrong impedance for that amp. Peavey does a piss poor job
explaining the whole impedance business with those amps, as depending on
which line in the instructions or their marketing materials you read, they
make like it can handle an 8 ohm speaker just fine. Every tech I spoke
with on this, and I posted in this NG a while back when I still had my
classic 30 this very question, said that the transformer may suffer and
that it is a bad idea. I didn't believe them, figuring they were making
too big a deal out of it. The amp never "blew up", so I just assumed it
was working fine. Though I never really liked the sound of it when it was
turned up past 3 on the volume, and it never sounded nearly as good as the
new ones that I would try in the stores from time to time. FOr a while I
considered ditching mine and buying a brand new one, or just selling the
vintage 30 speaker and getting one of the cheap peavey speakers that come
in the new ones. I figured that was the problem with the amp- the speaker.
Yes, I tried JJ tubes too (didn't like em at all).
Eventually, I sold the amp used. Told the buyer about the speaker
impedance thing, and he said it didn't matter to him as he was a collector
and just bought tons of amps and sold ema all the time. I got a very good
price for it, more than I paid. A couple fo weeks after he received it I
emailed him asking him how he liked the amp. He emailed back saying it's
great, and thanks, etc. For whatever reason we emailed back and forth a
few times later (I think I asked him about the tubes or something), and
that's when I mentioned to me in passing that the classic 30 I sold him
was running on only 2 of the 4 power tubes, and that the impedance of the
amp was screwed up. Something about there were a couple of open solder
trace runs on the circuit board. I apologized and asked him why he didn't
say anything before, and he replied by saying that he knew it wasn't
something I knew about because it happens all the time with the peavey
classics. He said another problem was the 8ohm speaker overheating the
thing.
Now, I don't know whether the amp was like that when I got it or not, or
if the "impedance was screwed up" was actually intended by the dope who I
bought it from who rigged it so that the 8ohm speaker matched the amp. I
have no idea about such things. All I know is this - I would never
mismatch a speaker in that amp. And I will most likely buy another one (a
new one as their is a shop near me selling them new for $419 - only 75
more than ebay with shipping).
FWIW - just before I sold the amp, I did buy a new speaker for it. An
Eminence Legend GB12, 50 watt greenback clone, for only $39 from Dave at
www.avatarspeakers.com - excellent price and excellent service. Since I
sold the amp before putting the speaker in, I had no use for a 16 ohm
speaker so I ebay'd it. I recommend you just get a decent speaker from
avatar that is 16ohms and be done with it.
mark
mark
2004-11-26 02:42:25 UTC
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Post by lapierretremblay
HI,
I owned one since 10 years playing in small clud (sometime miked) and last
gig i put a 2X12 marshall 16 ohms at the external connector and it work
great, now i have a bigger sound. I have plenty of power at 6. Thanks for
the cue i will check the pc board for open trace.
regards
Post by dave
Hi. I have one of these amps and it has a 16 ohm speaker with an 8 ohm
speaker out. I was wondering if I could exchange the 16 ohm speaker with
an 8 ohm without doing damage to the amp. Thanks for any help...Dave
I used to own one of these amps. I got hosed on a used purchase of one of
them, as the one I had was screwed up when I bought it and I had no idea.
Should have known better. FWIW - this was an in-person deal too, not an
ebay deal.
Mine was advertised as having a Vintage Celestion 30 in it. After I bought
it and got it home, I realized that it was an 8ohm speaker and that that
was the wrong impedance for that amp. Peavey does a piss poor job
explaining the whole impedance business with those amps, as depending on
which line in the instructions or their marketing materials you read, they
make like it can handle an 8 ohm speaker just fine. Every tech I spoke
with on this, and I posted in this NG a while back when I still had my
classic 30 this very question, said that the transformer may suffer and
that it is a bad idea. I didn't believe them, figuring they were making
too big a deal out of it. The amp never "blew up", so I just assumed it
was working fine. Though I never really liked the sound of it when it was
turned up past 3 on the volume, and it never sounded nearly as good as the
new ones that I would try in the stores from time to time. FOr a while I
considered ditching mine and buying a brand new one, or just selling the
vintage 30 speaker and getting one of the cheap peavey speakers that come
in the new ones. I figured that was the problem with the amp- the speaker.
Yes, I tried JJ tubes too (didn't like em at all).
Eventually, I sold the amp used. Told the buyer about the speaker
impedance thing, and he said it didn't matter to him as he was a collector
and just bought tons of amps and sold ema all the time. I got a very good
price for it, more than I paid. A couple fo weeks after he received it I
emailed him asking him how he liked the amp. He emailed back saying it's
great, and thanks, etc. For whatever reason we emailed back and forth a
few times later (I think I asked him about the tubes or something), and
that's when I mentioned to me in passing that the classic 30 I sold him
was running on only 2 of the 4 power tubes, and that the impedance of the
amp was screwed up. Something about there were a couple of open solder
trace runs on the circuit board. I apologized and asked him why he didn't
say anything before, and he replied by saying that he knew it wasn't
something I knew about because it happens all the time with the peavey
classics. He said another problem was the 8ohm speaker overheating the
thing.
Now, I don't know whether the amp was like that when I got it or not, or
if the "impedance was screwed up" was actually intended by the dope who I
bought it from who rigged it so that the 8ohm speaker matched the amp. I
have no idea about such things. All I know is this - I would never
mismatch a speaker in that amp. And I will most likely buy another one (a
new one as their is a shop near me selling them new for $419 - only 75
more than ebay with shipping).
FWIW - just before I sold the amp, I did buy a new speaker for it. An
Eminence Legend GB12, 50 watt greenback clone, for only $39 from Dave at
www.avatarspeakers.com - excellent price and excellent service. Since I
sold the amp before putting the speaker in, I had no use for a 16 ohm
speaker so I ebay'd it. I recommend you just get a decent speaker from
avatar that is 16ohms and be done with it.
mark
I had plenty of power at 6 too. Running on only 2 power tubes. I had no
idea because heater voltage was still applied, so the tubes lit up. I am
not a tech and don't know the specifics, plus of course I don't know if
the guy who bought my amp was totally honest about what he told me but I
have no reason to doubt him since he didn't try to get money out of me
or anything for repairs. He just told me he always goes through the
peavey amps he buys and checks things because they are poor quality.
Great amp for the money though, soundwise, IMO, when they are in tip-top
shape.

mark
Dan Godin
2004-11-25 23:57:39 UTC
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Post by dave
Hi. I have one of these amps and it has a 16 ohm speaker with an 8 ohm
speaker out. I was wondering if I could exchange the 16 ohm speaker with an
8 ohm without doing damage to the amp. Thanks for any help...Dave
The output transformer has a 16 ohms tap and an 8 ohms tap.
The internal speaker is on the 16 ohms tap, the external
jack is wires to the 8 ohms tap. Inserting a plug in jack
disconnects the internal speaker.
If you install an 8 ohms speaker in it you must swap the
transformer taps and remember or even better, label the chassis
to the effect that the external is to be 16 ohms and not 8 ohms.
mark
2004-11-26 02:46:58 UTC
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Post by Dan Godin
Post by dave
Hi. I have one of these amps and it has a 16 ohm speaker with an 8 ohm
speaker out. I was wondering if I could exchange the 16 ohm speaker
with an 8 ohm without doing damage to the amp. Thanks for any help...Dave
The output transformer has a 16 ohms tap and an 8 ohms tap.
The internal speaker is on the 16 ohms tap, the external
jack is wires to the 8 ohms tap. Inserting a plug in jack
disconnects the internal speaker.
Not true. If you plug a jack into the external jack the internal speaker
still works fine. I know. I tried it a number of times after reading it.
FWIW, it didn't do anything but make the amp sound worse at higher
volumes....
The Chris
2004-11-26 03:42:07 UTC
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Post by mark
Post by Dan Godin
Post by dave
Hi. I have one of these amps and it has a 16 ohm speaker with an 8
ohm speaker out. I was wondering if I could exchange the 16 ohm
speaker with an 8 ohm without doing damage to the amp. Thanks for
any help...Dave
The output transformer has a 16 ohms tap and an 8 ohms tap.
The internal speaker is on the 16 ohms tap, the external
jack is wires to the 8 ohms tap. Inserting a plug in jack
disconnects the internal speaker.
Not true. If you plug a jack into the external jack the internal
speaker still works fine. I know. I tried it a number of times after
reading it. FWIW, it didn't do anything but make the amp sound worse
at higher volumes....
You're right Mark... Only the Classic 20 cuts the speaker when you use the
external jack....
Dan Godin
2004-11-26 21:38:37 UTC
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Post by The Chris
Post by mark
Post by Dan Godin
Post by dave
Hi. I have one of these amps and it has a 16 ohm speaker with an 8
ohm speaker out. I was wondering if I could exchange the 16 ohm
speaker with an 8 ohm without doing damage to the amp. Thanks for
any help...Dave
The output transformer has a 16 ohms tap and an 8 ohms tap.
The internal speaker is on the 16 ohms tap, the external
jack is wires to the 8 ohms tap. Inserting a plug in jack
disconnects the internal speaker.
Not true. If you plug a jack into the external jack the internal
speaker still works fine. I know. I tried it a number of times after
reading it. FWIW, it didn't do anything but make the amp sound worse
at higher volumes....
You're right Mark... Only the Classic 20 cuts the speaker when you use the
external jack....
Either the schematic lies,
or your speaker jack is shot,
or they build them cheaper now.

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Dan Godin
2004-11-26 21:59:07 UTC
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Post by Dan Godin
Post by The Chris
Post by mark
Post by Dan Godin
Post by dave
Hi. I have one of these amps and it has a 16 ohm speaker with an 8
ohm speaker out. I was wondering if I could exchange the 16 ohm
speaker with an 8 ohm without doing damage to the amp. Thanks for
any help...Dave
The output transformer has a 16 ohms tap and an 8 ohms tap.
The internal speaker is on the 16 ohms tap, the external
jack is wires to the 8 ohms tap. Inserting a plug in jack
disconnects the internal speaker.
Not true. If you plug a jack into the external jack the internal
speaker still works fine. I know. I tried it a number of times after
reading it. FWIW, it didn't do anything but make the amp sound worse
at higher volumes....
You're right Mark... Only the Classic 20 cuts the speaker when you use
the external jack....
Either the schematic lies,
or your speaker jack is shot,
or they build them cheaper now.
http://www.blueguitar.org/new/schem/peavey/c30schem.gif
Looked at the schem again. This time paying more attention
to the way the jack is drawn. D'oh.
The speakers will be in parallel and the switch in the jack
switches the transformer to the 8 ohm tap.
Very clever these Peavey folks.
Dave Curtis
2004-11-27 02:11:34 UTC
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:59:07 -0500, Dan Godin
Post by Dan Godin
Post by Dan Godin
Post by The Chris
Post by mark
Post by Dan Godin
Post by dave
Hi. I have one of these amps and it has a 16 ohm speaker with an 8
ohm speaker out. I was wondering if I could exchange the 16 ohm
speaker with an 8 ohm without doing damage to the amp. Thanks for
any help...Dave
The output transformer has a 16 ohms tap and an 8 ohms tap.
The internal speaker is on the 16 ohms tap, the external
jack is wires to the 8 ohms tap. Inserting a plug in jack
disconnects the internal speaker.
Not true. If you plug a jack into the external jack the internal
speaker still works fine. I know. I tried it a number of times after
reading it. FWIW, it didn't do anything but make the amp sound worse
at higher volumes....
You're right Mark... Only the Classic 20 cuts the speaker when you use
the external jack....
Either the schematic lies,
or your speaker jack is shot,
or they build them cheaper now.
http://www.blueguitar.org/new/schem/peavey/c30schem.gif
Looked at the schem again. This time paying more attention
to the way the jack is drawn. D'oh.
The speakers will be in parallel and the switch in the jack
switches the transformer to the 8 ohm tap.
Very clever these Peavey folks.
That scheme has been around for a long time. Safe
to say Peavey wasn't the first to use it.


-Dave
mark
2004-11-27 17:14:55 UTC
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Post by Dave Curtis
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:59:07 -0500, Dan Godin
Post by Dan Godin
Post by Dan Godin
Post by The Chris
Post by mark
Post by Dan Godin
Post by dave
Hi. I have one of these amps and it has a 16 ohm speaker with an 8
ohm speaker out. I was wondering if I could exchange the 16 ohm
speaker with an 8 ohm without doing damage to the amp. Thanks for
any help...Dave
The output transformer has a 16 ohms tap and an 8 ohms tap.
The internal speaker is on the 16 ohms tap, the external
jack is wires to the 8 ohms tap. Inserting a plug in jack
disconnects the internal speaker.
Not true. If you plug a jack into the external jack the internal
speaker still works fine. I know. I tried it a number of times after
reading it. FWIW, it didn't do anything but make the amp sound worse
at higher volumes....
You're right Mark... Only the Classic 20 cuts the speaker when you use
the external jack....
Either the schematic lies,
or your speaker jack is shot,
or they build them cheaper now.
http://www.blueguitar.org/new/schem/peavey/c30schem.gif
Looked at the schem again. This time paying more attention
to the way the jack is drawn. D'oh.
The speakers will be in parallel and the switch in the jack
switches the transformer to the 8 ohm tap.
Very clever these Peavey folks.
That scheme has been around for a long time. Safe
to say Peavey wasn't the first to use it.
-Dave
With the net result being you have to use 16ohm speakers in both the
internal and external jacks. I think I may have been incorrect in my
original post, or at least misleading. To clarify, the way to use an 8 ohm
speaker in the external jack is to disconnect the internal speaker
completely, and then plug an external 8ohm speaker into the external jack.
Thus switching the tap to the 8ohm. It never made a difference for the
better to my ears. Amp sounded worse after an hour of playing...but as I
said before, I had a bum classic 30 to begin with.

After owning/playing some supposedly "higher quality" and certainly more
expensive amps recently, namely Peavey and Fender, I must say that Classic
30 is a fine fine amp if working properly.

mark
www.sixstringtheory.com
Jim Kelley
2004-11-26 21:43:43 UTC
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Post by Dan Godin
Post by The Chris
Post by mark
Post by Dan Godin
Post by dave
Hi. I have one of these amps and it has a 16 ohm speaker with an 8
ohm speaker out. I was wondering if I could exchange the 16 ohm
speaker with an 8 ohm without doing damage to the amp. Thanks for
any help...Dave
The output transformer has a 16 ohms tap and an 8 ohms tap.
The internal speaker is on the 16 ohms tap, the external
jack is wires to the 8 ohms tap. Inserting a plug in jack
disconnects the internal speaker.
Not true. If you plug a jack into the external jack the internal
speaker still works fine. I know. I tried it a number of times after
reading it. FWIW, it didn't do anything but make the amp sound worse
at higher volumes....
You're right Mark... Only the Classic 20 cuts the speaker when you use
the external jack....
Either the schematic lies,
or your speaker jack is shot,
or they build them cheaper now.
http://www.blueguitar.org/new/schem/peavey/c30schem.gif
Have a closer look at the drawing. The way the jack is drawn, there are
two tip contacts. The external speaker plug would effectively connect
the internal speaker in parallel with the external speaker on the low
impedance tap.

jk
Dan Godin
2004-11-26 23:02:34 UTC
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Post by Jim Kelley
Post by Dan Godin
Post by The Chris
Post by mark
Post by Dan Godin
Post by dave
Hi. I have one of these amps and it has a 16 ohm speaker with an 8
ohm speaker out. I was wondering if I could exchange the 16 ohm
speaker with an 8 ohm without doing damage to the amp. Thanks for
any help...Dave
The output transformer has a 16 ohms tap and an 8 ohms tap.
The internal speaker is on the 16 ohms tap, the external
jack is wires to the 8 ohms tap. Inserting a plug in jack
disconnects the internal speaker.
Not true. If you plug a jack into the external jack the internal
speaker still works fine. I know. I tried it a number of times after
reading it. FWIW, it didn't do anything but make the amp sound worse
at higher volumes....
You're right Mark... Only the Classic 20 cuts the speaker when you
use the external jack....
Either the schematic lies,
or your speaker jack is shot,
or they build them cheaper now.
http://www.blueguitar.org/new/schem/peavey/c30schem.gif
Have a closer look at the drawing. The way the jack is drawn, there are
two tip contacts. The external speaker plug would effectively connect
the internal speaker in parallel with the external speaker on the low
impedance tap.
jk
Thank you Jim.
I must have been in "working" mode", you know, where everything
needs to be done by yesterday. I should learn to slow down, let
the tubes warm up.
YabbaDabbaDoo
2004-11-27 19:50:56 UTC
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yes you can. just plug the new speaker into the 8 ohm jack.
http://blueguitar.org/articles.htm provides extensive detail on many c30
mods if you would like to check it out.

cheers,
ydd
Post by dave
Hi. I have one of these amps and it has a 16 ohm speaker with an 8 ohm
speaker out. I was wondering if I could exchange the 16 ohm speaker with an
8 ohm without doing damage to the amp. Thanks for any help...Dave
--
"To rock is to not give a fuck about what anybody thinks about what
you're doing."
- Anthony Kiedis
mark
2004-11-27 20:45:01 UTC
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Post by YabbaDabbaDoo
yes you can. just plug the new speaker into the 8 ohm jack.
http://blueguitar.org/articles.htm provides extensive detail on many c30
mods if you would like to check it out.
Uh, problem is, there is no "8 ohm jack" to plug into. There is an extension
speaker jack, and that requires a 16ohm speaker as well (so that the
internal 16ohm and external 16ohm speakers are placed in parallel to make
8ohms, which is supplied via the 8ohm tap of the transformer). You should
read the blueguitar articles before posting misleading/incorrect info.

mark
YabbaDabbaDoo
2004-11-28 00:14:08 UTC
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I have read them, Mark, and you can stick a 1/4" dummy jack into the 16
ohm speaker output to set the transformer into 8 ohm parallel mode. I've
run my c30 with and without the internal speaker connected and no harm
was ever caused by it. From what I've read recently, it sounds like
there may be differences between the older models, which I have, and
newer ones.

I provided the blueguitar link so Dave could read up on it for himself,
which is what any thinking person should do anyway.
Post by mark
Post by YabbaDabbaDoo
yes you can. just plug the new speaker into the 8 ohm jack.
http://blueguitar.org/articles.htm provides extensive detail on many c30
mods if you would like to check it out.
Uh, problem is, there is no "8 ohm jack" to plug into. There is an extension
speaker jack, and that requires a 16ohm speaker as well (so that the
internal 16ohm and external 16ohm speakers are placed in parallel to make
8ohms, which is supplied via the 8ohm tap of the transformer). You should
read the blueguitar articles before posting misleading/incorrect info.
mark
--
"To rock is to not give a fuck about what anybody thinks about what
you're doing."
- Anthony Kiedis
mark
2004-11-28 02:35:51 UTC
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I have read them, Mark, and you can stick a 1/4" dummy jack into the 16 ohm
speaker output to set the transformer into 8 ohm parallel mode. I've run my
c30 with and without the internal speaker connected and no harm was ever
caused by it. From what I've read recently, it sounds like there may be
differences between the older models, which I have, and newer ones.
I provided the blueguitar link so Dave could read up on it for himself,
which is what any thinking person should do anyway.
Fair enough - so long as the newer models are different from the model I had
and for which the schematic I saw for it (which IIRC I got from
blueguitar.org) was for the older version and not any possible newer
version.

Unless they made some pretty interesting changes (ie, transformer) then I
don't see how they could have changed the way the impedance switching works.
By putting a jack into the external output, you are forcing the output
impedance for 8ohms. So at that point the amp is expecting an 8ohm load.
Fair enough so long as you have the external speaker at 8ohms and the
internal speaker is disconnected. OR, you could have an external speaker of
16ohms and the 16ohm internal speaker connected.

Running the 8ohm external speaker and the 16ohm internal speaker would make
for a difference in load. Would it hurt it? Probably not, though most techs
who have worked on these whom I've read/spoken with state that the peavey
transformers are junk and won't last long with mismatched load. The one I
owned couldn't handle it that's for sure. YMMV

mark
www.sixstringtheory.com

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