Discussion:
Fender Custom shop!!!
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John NOSPAM
2003-09-15 16:46:48 UTC
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I am looking into Fender Custom Shop guitars, I am interested in learning to
differentiate between them in terms of sound and material quality rather than
some fancy finish or ornament.

1. What is the difference between the following:
54 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
56 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
59 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster

2. How much a brand new one would cost? and where can they be purchased in good
deal?

3. Fender Custom shop seems to make "standard" custom shop guitars (certificate
but no specific luthier), and some guitars signed by specific luthier (John
English etc.).
What is the difference? (are the standard custom shop machine made?)
Who are the better luthiers?
What is the difference between "team built" and "master built" custom shop
guitars?


4. Is there a major sound difference between 54 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster and
54 Reissue?

Thanks,
John
Sheldon
2003-09-15 17:41:09 UTC
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You seem to be posting this over and over, so I assume you are not getting
any answers. Why not just call Fender and let them answer all of your
questions? I doubt you'll get a straight answer to "Who's the best
luthier?" but they should be able to answer the rest of your questions.

www.fender.com


Sheldon
Post by John NOSPAM
I am looking into Fender Custom Shop guitars, I am interested in learning to
differentiate between them in terms of sound and material quality rather than
some fancy finish or ornament.
54 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
56 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
59 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
2. How much a brand new one would cost? and where can they be purchased in good
deal?
3. Fender Custom shop seems to make "standard" custom shop guitars (certificate
but no specific luthier), and some guitars signed by specific luthier (John
English etc.).
What is the difference? (are the standard custom shop machine made?)
Who are the better luthiers?
What is the difference between "team built" and "master built" custom shop
guitars?
4. Is there a major sound difference between 54 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster and
54 Reissue?
Thanks,
John
TD Madden
2003-09-15 23:06:20 UTC
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I thought that at first as well...but then I remembered Dr. Stereo's
MO.....kinda similar.
Post by Sheldon
You seem to be posting this over and over, so I assume you are not getting
any answers. Why not just call Fender and let them answer all of your
questions? I doubt you'll get a straight answer to "Who's the best
luthier?" but they should be able to answer the rest of your questions.
www.fender.com
Sheldon
Post by John NOSPAM
I am looking into Fender Custom Shop guitars, I am interested in learning
to
Post by John NOSPAM
differentiate between them in terms of sound and material quality rather
than
Post by John NOSPAM
some fancy finish or ornament.
54 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
56 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
59 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
2. How much a brand new one would cost? and where can they be purchased in
good
Post by John NOSPAM
deal?
3. Fender Custom shop seems to make "standard" custom shop guitars
(certificate
Post by John NOSPAM
but no specific luthier), and some guitars signed by specific luthier
(John
Post by John NOSPAM
English etc.).
What is the difference? (are the standard custom shop machine made?)
Who are the better luthiers?
What is the difference between "team built" and "master built" custom shop
guitars?
4. Is there a major sound difference between 54 NOS Custom Shop
Stratocaster and
Post by John NOSPAM
54 Reissue?
Thanks,
John
Carl Rothman
2003-09-15 18:36:02 UTC
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Try posting your question on the Fender Forum, http://www.fenderforum.com.
You'll get answers there.

I have to agree that your use of the term NOS in this context seems
incorrect, though I don't know for sure. No one, not even a Custom Shop,
can build a NOS anything. NOS means "New Old Stock", which means something
older which has been lying around unsold for whatever reason. It has to be
older than the current time and has to have been unsold (unused). Thus, it
is Old Stock that is still New. You cannot build that. Example: In 2001, I
bought a 1998 Gibson 336 which had gone unsold in a retail store for 3
years. It was "NOS".
Post by John NOSPAM
I am looking into Fender Custom Shop guitars, I am interested in learning to
differentiate between them in terms of sound and material quality rather than
some fancy finish or ornament.
54 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
56 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
59 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
2. How much a brand new one would cost? and where can they be purchased in good
deal?
3. Fender Custom shop seems to make "standard" custom shop guitars (certificate
but no specific luthier), and some guitars signed by specific luthier (John
English etc.).
What is the difference? (are the standard custom shop machine made?)
Who are the better luthiers?
What is the difference between "team built" and "master built" custom shop
guitars?
4. Is there a major sound difference between 54 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster and
54 Reissue?
Thanks,
John
Bluesview
2003-09-15 19:23:15 UTC
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Take a look here for specs on the "Time Machine" series (NOS, Closet
Classic, Relic) of Custom Shop guitars:

http://www.fender.com/gear/gear.php?node_id=2246

Parker
Post by Carl Rothman
Try posting your question on the Fender Forum, http://www.fenderforum.com.
You'll get answers there.
I have to agree that your use of the term NOS in this context seems
incorrect, though I don't know for sure. No one, not even a Custom Shop,
can build a NOS anything. NOS means "New Old Stock", which means something
older which has been lying around unsold for whatever reason. It has to be
older than the current time and has to have been unsold (unused). Thus, it
is Old Stock that is still New. You cannot build that. Example: In 2001, I
bought a 1998 Gibson 336 which had gone unsold in a retail store for 3
years. It was "NOS".
Post by John NOSPAM
I am looking into Fender Custom Shop guitars, I am interested in
learning
Post by Carl Rothman
to
Post by John NOSPAM
differentiate between them in terms of sound and material quality rather
than
Post by John NOSPAM
some fancy finish or ornament.
54 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
56 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
59 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
2. How much a brand new one would cost? and where can they be purchased
in
Post by Carl Rothman
good
Post by John NOSPAM
deal?
3. Fender Custom shop seems to make "standard" custom shop guitars
(certificate
Post by John NOSPAM
but no specific luthier), and some guitars signed by specific luthier
(John
Post by John NOSPAM
English etc.).
What is the difference? (are the standard custom shop machine made?)
Who are the better luthiers?
What is the difference between "team built" and "master built" custom shop
guitars?
4. Is there a major sound difference between 54 NOS Custom Shop
Stratocaster and
Post by John NOSPAM
54 Reissue?
Thanks,
John
reverb
2003-09-15 23:28:00 UTC
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Yeah, it's Fender's marketing theme this year to get more cash for slight to
fully distressed guitars.

To me, I would find a "DZ" serial number or Special Edition guitar before
spending the extra cash on the Time Machine Series. I did, am REALLY like mine.

reverb
Post by Bluesview
Take a look here for specs on the "Time Machine" series (NOS, Closet
http://www.fender.com/gear/gear.php?node_id=2246
Parker
Post by Carl Rothman
Try posting your question on the Fender Forum, http://www.fenderforum.com.
You'll get answers there.
I have to agree that your use of the term NOS in this context seems
incorrect, though I don't know for sure. No one, not even a Custom Shop,
can build a NOS anything. NOS means "New Old Stock", which means
something
Post by Carl Rothman
older which has been lying around unsold for whatever reason. It has to
be
Post by Carl Rothman
older than the current time and has to have been unsold (unused). Thus,
it
Post by Carl Rothman
is Old Stock that is still New. You cannot build that. Example: In 2001,
I
Post by Carl Rothman
bought a 1998 Gibson 336 which had gone unsold in a retail store for 3
years. It was "NOS".
Post by John NOSPAM
I am looking into Fender Custom Shop guitars, I am interested in
learning
Post by Carl Rothman
to
Post by John NOSPAM
differentiate between them in terms of sound and material quality rather
than
Post by John NOSPAM
some fancy finish or ornament.
54 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
56 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
59 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
2. How much a brand new one would cost? and where can they be purchased
in
Post by Carl Rothman
good
Post by John NOSPAM
deal?
3. Fender Custom shop seems to make "standard" custom shop guitars
(certificate
Post by John NOSPAM
but no specific luthier), and some guitars signed by specific luthier
(John
Post by John NOSPAM
English etc.).
What is the difference? (are the standard custom shop machine made?)
Who are the better luthiers?
What is the difference between "team built" and "master built" custom
shop
Post by Carl Rothman
Post by John NOSPAM
guitars?
4. Is there a major sound difference between 54 NOS Custom Shop
Stratocaster and
Post by John NOSPAM
54 Reissue?
Thanks,
John
-=[VampiressX]=-
2003-09-15 23:31:57 UTC
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"reverb" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4Wr9b.466771$o%***@sccrnsc02...
: Yeah, it's Fender's marketing theme this year to get more cash for slight
to
: fully distressed guitars.
:
: To me, I would find a "DZ" serial number or Special Edition guitar before
: spending the extra cash on the Time Machine Series. I did, am REALLY like
mine.


I agree whole heartedly... considering as I just bought a "DZ". Yet to
receive it though but that should happen on Thursday.
Greg
2003-09-16 11:32:53 UTC
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I just picked up a CS 60 Closet Classic strat...it's fantastic. I got it on
trade, so I got for about what a new 62 RI would have cost. I had the same
skeptical perspective, but now I'm a believer. This guitar seems to have a
thinner finish and has a great feel & tone.
Greg
Post by reverb
Yeah, it's Fender's marketing theme this year to get more cash for slight to
fully distressed guitars.
To me, I would find a "DZ" serial number or Special Edition guitar before
spending the extra cash on the Time Machine Series. I did, am REALLY like mine.
reverb
Post by Bluesview
Take a look here for specs on the "Time Machine" series (NOS, Closet
http://www.fender.com/gear/gear.php?node_id=2246
Parker
Post by Carl Rothman
Try posting your question on the Fender Forum,
http://www.fenderforum.com.
Post by reverb
Post by Bluesview
Post by Carl Rothman
You'll get answers there.
I have to agree that your use of the term NOS in this context seems
incorrect, though I don't know for sure. No one, not even a Custom Shop,
can build a NOS anything. NOS means "New Old Stock", which means
something
Post by Carl Rothman
older which has been lying around unsold for whatever reason. It has to
be
Post by Carl Rothman
older than the current time and has to have been unsold (unused).
Thus,
Post by reverb
Post by Bluesview
it
Post by Carl Rothman
is Old Stock that is still New. You cannot build that. Example: In 2001,
I
Post by Carl Rothman
bought a 1998 Gibson 336 which had gone unsold in a retail store for 3
years. It was "NOS".
Post by John NOSPAM
I am looking into Fender Custom Shop guitars, I am interested in
learning
Post by Carl Rothman
to
Post by John NOSPAM
differentiate between them in terms of sound and material quality rather
than
Post by John NOSPAM
some fancy finish or ornament.
54 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
56 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
59 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
2. How much a brand new one would cost? and where can they be purchased
in
Post by Carl Rothman
good
Post by John NOSPAM
deal?
3. Fender Custom shop seems to make "standard" custom shop guitars
(certificate
Post by John NOSPAM
but no specific luthier), and some guitars signed by specific luthier
(John
Post by John NOSPAM
English etc.).
What is the difference? (are the standard custom shop machine made?)
Who are the better luthiers?
What is the difference between "team built" and "master built" custom
shop
Post by Carl Rothman
Post by John NOSPAM
guitars?
4. Is there a major sound difference between 54 NOS Custom Shop
Stratocaster and
Post by John NOSPAM
54 Reissue?
Thanks,
John
John NOSPAM
2003-09-16 15:39:39 UTC
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What does the "DZ" serial number stand for?

I appreciate if anyone can help me in understanding what's really going on in
the Fender Custom Shop?

What's the difference between "Stratocaster Closet Classic" and "Stratocaster
NOS"?

Thanks,
John
Post by reverb
Yeah, it's Fender's marketing theme this year to get more cash for slight to
fully distressed guitars.
To me, I would find a "DZ" serial number or Special Edition guitar before
spending the extra cash on the Time Machine Series. I did, am REALLY like mine.
reverb
Post by Bluesview
Take a look here for specs on the "Time Machine" series (NOS, Closet
http://www.fender.com/gear/gear.php?node_id=2246
Parker
Post by Carl Rothman
Try posting your question on the Fender Forum, http://www.fenderforum.com.
You'll get answers there.
I have to agree that your use of the term NOS in this context seems
incorrect, though I don't know for sure. No one, not even a Custom Shop,
can build a NOS anything. NOS means "New Old Stock", which means
something
Post by Carl Rothman
older which has been lying around unsold for whatever reason. It has to
be
Post by Carl Rothman
older than the current time and has to have been unsold (unused). Thus,
it
Post by Carl Rothman
is Old Stock that is still New. You cannot build that. Example: In 2001,
I
Post by Carl Rothman
bought a 1998 Gibson 336 which had gone unsold in a retail store for 3
years. It was "NOS".
Post by John NOSPAM
I am looking into Fender Custom Shop guitars, I am interested in
learning
Post by Carl Rothman
to
Post by John NOSPAM
differentiate between them in terms of sound and material quality rather
than
Post by John NOSPAM
some fancy finish or ornament.
54 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
56 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
59 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
2. How much a brand new one would cost? and where can they be purchased
in
Post by Carl Rothman
good
Post by John NOSPAM
deal?
3. Fender Custom shop seems to make "standard" custom shop guitars
(certificate
Post by John NOSPAM
but no specific luthier), and some guitars signed by specific luthier
(John
Post by John NOSPAM
English etc.).
What is the difference? (are the standard custom shop machine made?)
Who are the better luthiers?
What is the difference between "team built" and "master built" custom
shop
Post by Carl Rothman
Post by John NOSPAM
guitars?
4. Is there a major sound difference between 54 NOS Custom Shop
Stratocaster and
Post by John NOSPAM
54 Reissue?
Thanks,
John
Bluesview
2003-09-16 16:22:57 UTC
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Example (from Fender web site)

" '56 Stratocaster Relic" - 10/'56 "Boat" Shape Maple Neck,
Shows natural wear and tear of years of heavy use, nicks, scratches, worn
finish rusty hardware and aged plastic parts.

" '56 Stratocaster Closet Classic" - 10/'56 "Boat" Shape Maple Neck,
Built as if bought new in its respective year and played a few times a year
and then put carefully away. Has a few small dings, checked finish, oxidized
hardware and aged plastic parts.

" '56 Stratocaster NOS" - 10/'56 "Boat" Shape Maple Neck,
Built as if bought new in its respective year and brought forward in time.

The '54, '56 and '59 models are built using the specs from the originals of
that same year. NOS look like a brand new guitar - no aging. Closet Classic
looks like a lightly 'used' guitar from that year. And the Relic looks likes
a beat, worn and aged guitar from the respective year.

DZ (the beginning of the serial number): The D stands for Deluxe model. The
Z stands for the century (2000) it was built followed by the year. Example:
A serial number starting with DZ2 would indicate a Deluxe model built in
2002.

All this and much more is available at the Fender website.

Parker
Post by John NOSPAM
What does the "DZ" serial number stand for?
I appreciate if anyone can help me in understanding what's really going on in
the Fender Custom Shop?
What's the difference between "Stratocaster Closet Classic" and "Stratocaster
NOS"?
Thanks,
John
Post by reverb
Yeah, it's Fender's marketing theme this year to get more cash for slight to
fully distressed guitars.
To me, I would find a "DZ" serial number or Special Edition guitar before
spending the extra cash on the Time Machine Series. I did, am REALLY like mine.
reverb
Post by Bluesview
Take a look here for specs on the "Time Machine" series (NOS, Closet
http://www.fender.com/gear/gear.php?node_id=2246
Parker
Post by Carl Rothman
Try posting your question on the Fender Forum,
http://www.fenderforum.com.
Post by John NOSPAM
Post by reverb
Post by Bluesview
Post by Carl Rothman
You'll get answers there.
I have to agree that your use of the term NOS in this context seems
incorrect, though I don't know for sure. No one, not even a Custom Shop,
can build a NOS anything. NOS means "New Old Stock", which means
something
Post by Carl Rothman
older which has been lying around unsold for whatever reason. It has to
be
Post by Carl Rothman
older than the current time and has to have been unsold (unused).
Thus,
Post by John NOSPAM
Post by reverb
Post by Bluesview
it
Post by Carl Rothman
is Old Stock that is still New. You cannot build that. Example: In 2001,
I
Post by Carl Rothman
bought a 1998 Gibson 336 which had gone unsold in a retail store for 3
years. It was "NOS".
Post by John NOSPAM
I am looking into Fender Custom Shop guitars, I am interested in
learning
Post by Carl Rothman
to
Post by John NOSPAM
differentiate between them in terms of sound and material quality rather
than
Post by John NOSPAM
some fancy finish or ornament.
54 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
56 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
59 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
2. How much a brand new one would cost? and where can they be purchased
in
Post by Carl Rothman
good
Post by John NOSPAM
deal?
3. Fender Custom shop seems to make "standard" custom shop guitars
(certificate
Post by John NOSPAM
but no specific luthier), and some guitars signed by specific luthier
(John
Post by John NOSPAM
English etc.).
What is the difference? (are the standard custom shop machine made?)
Who are the better luthiers?
What is the difference between "team built" and "master built" custom
shop
Post by Carl Rothman
Post by John NOSPAM
guitars?
4. Is there a major sound difference between 54 NOS Custom Shop
Stratocaster and
Post by John NOSPAM
54 Reissue?
Thanks,
John
reverb
2003-09-16 22:30:12 UTC
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This is my understanding.

A Stratocaster Deluxe is a model type. The "D" in DZ would mean that it is
deluxe in features that are not cataloged any certain way. In other words, the
deluxe features may have been a special order in some cases (as was mine).

I don't know if ALL "DZ" guitars are great, but mine is the best Strat that I
have picked up in the 35 year that I've been playing (except for the '65 with
crackly volume knobs). I'm really happy with the properties of mine.

reverb
Post by Bluesview
Example (from Fender web site)
" '56 Stratocaster Relic" - 10/'56 "Boat" Shape Maple Neck,
Shows natural wear and tear of years of heavy use, nicks, scratches, worn
finish rusty hardware and aged plastic parts.
" '56 Stratocaster Closet Classic" - 10/'56 "Boat" Shape Maple Neck,
Built as if bought new in its respective year and played a few times a year
and then put carefully away. Has a few small dings, checked finish, oxidized
hardware and aged plastic parts.
" '56 Stratocaster NOS" - 10/'56 "Boat" Shape Maple Neck,
Built as if bought new in its respective year and brought forward in time.
The '54, '56 and '59 models are built using the specs from the originals of
that same year. NOS look like a brand new guitar - no aging. Closet Classic
looks like a lightly 'used' guitar from that year. And the Relic looks likes
a beat, worn and aged guitar from the respective year.
DZ (the beginning of the serial number): The D stands for Deluxe model. The
A serial number starting with DZ2 would indicate a Deluxe model built in
2002.
All this and much more is available at the Fender website.
Parker
Post by John NOSPAM
What does the "DZ" serial number stand for?
I appreciate if anyone can help me in understanding what's really going on
in
Post by John NOSPAM
the Fender Custom Shop?
What's the difference between "Stratocaster Closet Classic" and
"Stratocaster
Post by John NOSPAM
NOS"?
Thanks,
John
Post by reverb
Yeah, it's Fender's marketing theme this year to get more cash for
slight to
Post by John NOSPAM
Post by reverb
fully distressed guitars.
To me, I would find a "DZ" serial number or Special Edition guitar
before
Post by John NOSPAM
Post by reverb
spending the extra cash on the Time Machine Series. I did, am REALLY
like mine.
Post by John NOSPAM
Post by reverb
reverb
Post by Bluesview
Take a look here for specs on the "Time Machine" series (NOS, Closet
http://www.fender.com/gear/gear.php?node_id=2246
Parker
Post by Carl Rothman
Try posting your question on the Fender Forum,
http://www.fenderforum.com.
Post by John NOSPAM
Post by reverb
Post by Bluesview
Post by Carl Rothman
You'll get answers there.
I have to agree that your use of the term NOS in this context seems
incorrect, though I don't know for sure. No one, not even a Custom
Shop,
Post by John NOSPAM
Post by reverb
Post by Bluesview
Post by Carl Rothman
can build a NOS anything. NOS means "New Old Stock", which means
something
Post by Carl Rothman
older which has been lying around unsold for whatever reason. It
has to
Post by John NOSPAM
Post by reverb
Post by Bluesview
be
Post by Carl Rothman
older than the current time and has to have been unsold (unused).
Thus,
Post by John NOSPAM
Post by reverb
Post by Bluesview
it
Post by Carl Rothman
is Old Stock that is still New. You cannot build that. Example: In
2001,
Post by John NOSPAM
Post by reverb
Post by Bluesview
I
Post by Carl Rothman
bought a 1998 Gibson 336 which had gone unsold in a retail store for
3
Post by John NOSPAM
Post by reverb
Post by Bluesview
Post by Carl Rothman
years. It was "NOS".
Post by John NOSPAM
I am looking into Fender Custom Shop guitars, I am interested in
learning
Post by Carl Rothman
to
Post by John NOSPAM
differentiate between them in terms of sound and material quality
rather
Post by John NOSPAM
Post by reverb
Post by Bluesview
Post by Carl Rothman
than
Post by John NOSPAM
some fancy finish or ornament.
54 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
56 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
59 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
2. How much a brand new one would cost? and where can they be
purchased
Post by John NOSPAM
Post by reverb
Post by Bluesview
in
Post by Carl Rothman
good
Post by John NOSPAM
deal?
3. Fender Custom shop seems to make "standard" custom shop guitars
(certificate
Post by John NOSPAM
but no specific luthier), and some guitars signed by specific
luthier
Post by John NOSPAM
Post by reverb
Post by Bluesview
Post by Carl Rothman
(John
Post by John NOSPAM
English etc.).
What is the difference? (are the standard custom shop machine
made?)
Post by John NOSPAM
Post by reverb
Post by Bluesview
Post by Carl Rothman
Post by John NOSPAM
Who are the better luthiers?
What is the difference between "team built" and "master built"
custom
Post by John NOSPAM
Post by reverb
Post by Bluesview
shop
Post by Carl Rothman
Post by John NOSPAM
guitars?
4. Is there a major sound difference between 54 NOS Custom Shop
Stratocaster and
Post by John NOSPAM
54 Reissue?
Thanks,
John
John
2003-09-17 00:06:46 UTC
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OK, but what is Deluxe model?
Post by Bluesview
DZ (the beginning of the serial number): The D stands for Deluxe model. The
A serial number starting with DZ2 would indicate a Deluxe model built in
2002.
All this and much more is available at the Fender website.
I appreciate if you could provide a link/URL to that topic

John
John
2003-09-17 00:06:53 UTC
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OK, but what is Deluxe model?
Post by Bluesview
DZ (the beginning of the serial number): The D stands for Deluxe model. The
A serial number starting with DZ2 would indicate a Deluxe model built in
2002.
All this and much more is available at the Fender website.
I appreciate if you could provide a link/URL to that topic

John
Bluesview
2003-09-17 02:30:40 UTC
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Here is the Deluxe series guitars:
http://www.fender.com/gear/gear.php?node_id=2414

Parker
Post by John
OK, but what is Deluxe model?
Post by Bluesview
DZ (the beginning of the serial number): The D stands for Deluxe model. The
A serial number starting with DZ2 would indicate a Deluxe model built in
2002.
All this and much more is available at the Fender website.
I appreciate if you could provide a link/URL to that topic
John
John NOSPAM
2003-09-17 05:26:40 UTC
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But those Deluxe are NOT Custom Shop guitars.

Is there Deluxe made also by the Custom Shop?

How are the Deluxe compared to the Custom Shop?

I once tried the old Deluxe with the Lace Sensor pickups, and the were kind of
wimp/muffled sound, not as bright as Fender at its best. SO how are those
Noiseless as compared to the classic Fender bright sound?

Thanks,
John
Post by Bluesview
http://www.fender.com/gear/gear.php?node_id=2414
Parker
Post by John
OK, but what is Deluxe model?
Post by Bluesview
DZ (the beginning of the serial number): The D stands for Deluxe model.
The
Post by John
Post by Bluesview
Z stands for the century (2000) it was built followed by the year.
A serial number starting with DZ2 would indicate a Deluxe model built in
2002.
All this and much more is available at the Fender website.
I appreciate if you could provide a link/URL to that topic
John
John NOSPAM
2003-09-17 05:26:52 UTC
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But those Deluxe are NOT Custom Shop guitars.

Is there Deluxe made also by the Custom Shop?

How are the Deluxe compared to the Custom Shop?

I once tried the old Deluxe with the Lace Sensor pickups, and the were kind of
wimp/muffled sound, not as bright as Fender at its best. SO how are those
Noiseless as compared to the classic Fender bright sound?

Thanks,
John
Post by Bluesview
http://www.fender.com/gear/gear.php?node_id=2414
Parker
Post by John
OK, but what is Deluxe model?
Post by Bluesview
DZ (the beginning of the serial number): The D stands for Deluxe model.
The
Post by John
Post by Bluesview
Z stands for the century (2000) it was built followed by the year.
A serial number starting with DZ2 would indicate a Deluxe model built in
2002.
All this and much more is available at the Fender website.
I appreciate if you could provide a link/URL to that topic
John
reverb
2003-09-17 11:42:39 UTC
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I don't know if the American Deluxe or DZ guitars are made by the Custom Shop.
I think that most of the Deluxe series guitars are imports, therefore are not
Custom Shop.

The Lace are great pickups for that extra boost. They are a little lacking in
character. This gives them a thinner sound to my ears. As far as brightness, I
never thought of them as being muffled. They certainly are not as glassy
sounding at the bridge as some pups I've heard.

There are a lot of folks who are not liking the Noiseless pups. They are
beginning to take on the new nickname of "Toneless" pups. I have not owned any
on my guitars. I have a set of Noiseless installed in my Jazz bass. There seems
to be only a slight difference in the Am pups and the Noiseless in my bass. I
have tried some Noiseless pups (on an Am Deluxe) at the store. They were not as
full bodied as you might hope for the extra money. They were crystal clear and
with low noise. Maybe a bit sterile as I have seen them described. But they
did not sound that bad to me. However, I prefer the Texas Specials, Am pups and
vintage pups over the Noiseless. Just my opinion though.

reverb
Post by John NOSPAM
But those Deluxe are NOT Custom Shop guitars.
Is there Deluxe made also by the Custom Shop?
How are the Deluxe compared to the Custom Shop?
I once tried the old Deluxe with the Lace Sensor pickups, and the were kind of
wimp/muffled sound, not as bright as Fender at its best. SO how are those
Noiseless as compared to the classic Fender bright sound?
Thanks,
John
Post by Bluesview
http://www.fender.com/gear/gear.php?node_id=2414
Parker
Post by John
OK, but what is Deluxe model?
Post by Bluesview
DZ (the beginning of the serial number): The D stands for Deluxe model.
The
Post by John
Post by Bluesview
Z stands for the century (2000) it was built followed by the year.
A serial number starting with DZ2 would indicate a Deluxe model built in
2002.
All this and much more is available at the Fender website.
I appreciate if you could provide a link/URL to that topic
John
reverb
2003-09-17 03:47:39 UTC
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The main things with a Stratocaster Deluxe are:

[snippet]
The American Deluxe Stratocaster is the ultimate in high-performance.
Classically contoured, solid alder and ash bodies, and new distinctive neck
shapes that fit like a glove. Other features include three Fender
Vintage-NoiselessTM pickups with hot bridge for extra punch and sustain,
polished chrome, locking machine heads, American Deluxe tremolo with polished
steel saddles, highly detailed fret and nut work, abalone dot inlays, and aged
plastic parts.

The actual link for an American Deluxe Strat is:
http://www.fender.com/gear/gear.php?partno=0101002#

There are a lot of folks who do not prefer the Noiseless pickups, so that may
not be a plus.



reverb
Post by John
OK, but what is Deluxe model?
Post by Bluesview
DZ (the beginning of the serial number): The D stands for Deluxe model. The
A serial number starting with DZ2 would indicate a Deluxe model built in
2002.
All this and much more is available at the Fender website.
I appreciate if you could provide a link/URL to that topic
John
Bluesview
2003-09-17 04:19:50 UTC
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We're talking Fender Deluxe NOT Fender American Deluxe. Two completely
different guitars. The Deluxe models don't have noiseless pickups. American
Deluxe models do.

Parker
Post by reverb
[snippet]
The American Deluxe Stratocaster is the ultimate in high-performance.
Classically contoured, solid alder and ash bodies, and new distinctive neck
shapes that fit like a glove. Other features include three Fender
Vintage-NoiselessTM pickups with hot bridge for extra punch and sustain,
polished chrome, locking machine heads, American Deluxe tremolo with polished
steel saddles, highly detailed fret and nut work, abalone dot inlays, and aged
plastic parts.
http://www.fender.com/gear/gear.php?partno=0101002#
There are a lot of folks who do not prefer the Noiseless pickups, so that may
not be a plus.
reverb
Post by John
OK, but what is Deluxe model?
Post by Bluesview
DZ (the beginning of the serial number): The D stands for Deluxe model. The
A serial number starting with DZ2 would indicate a Deluxe model built in
2002.
All this and much more is available at the Fender website.
I appreciate if you could provide a link/URL to that topic
John
reverb
2003-09-17 11:29:15 UTC
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I thought that I WAS talking about the American Deluxe and "DZ" guitars. I did
not know that there was a whole series of guitars dubbed the Deluxe models. But
it seems that all these guitars posted, are imports. Are you suggesting that
the Deluxe models at the link you posted, all have "DZ" serial numbers? If so,
then I stand corrected. Otherwise, I still believe that the "DZ" are basically
special order/feature guitars that are above the pack of typical production
guitars or imports.

This thread started out as wanting information about Custom Shop guitars. I
simply offered that DZ guitars may be a more cost effective alternative to the
Time Machine Series and still receive a well built guitar. I would not classify
the imports in the same field as the TMS or DZ guitars :-)

reverb
Post by Bluesview
We're talking Fender Deluxe NOT Fender American Deluxe. Two completely
different guitars. The Deluxe models don't have noiseless pickups. American
Deluxe models do.
Parker
Post by reverb
[snippet]
The American Deluxe Stratocaster is the ultimate in high-performance.
Classically contoured, solid alder and ash bodies, and new distinctive
neck
Post by reverb
shapes that fit like a glove. Other features include three Fender
Vintage-NoiselessTM pickups with hot bridge for extra punch and sustain,
polished chrome, locking machine heads, American Deluxe tremolo with
polished
Post by reverb
steel saddles, highly detailed fret and nut work, abalone dot inlays, and
aged
Post by reverb
plastic parts.
http://www.fender.com/gear/gear.php?partno=0101002#
There are a lot of folks who do not prefer the Noiseless pickups, so that
may
Post by reverb
not be a plus.
reverb
Post by John
OK, but what is Deluxe model?
Post by Bluesview
DZ (the beginning of the serial number): The D stands for Deluxe
model. The
Post by reverb
Post by John
Post by Bluesview
Z stands for the century (2000) it was built followed by the year.
A serial number starting with DZ2 would indicate a Deluxe model built
in
Post by reverb
Post by John
Post by Bluesview
2002.
All this and much more is available at the Fender website.
I appreciate if you could provide a link/URL to that topic
John
JJman
2003-09-18 22:38:37 UTC
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............and aged plastic parts.
Phoney baloney "aged" plastic. Everyone knows that only true
pre-CBS vintage plastic has that special tone we all seek.



JJman
-=VampiressX=-
2003-09-18 22:49:21 UTC
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Post by JJman
............and aged plastic parts.
Phoney baloney "aged" plastic. Everyone knows that only true
pre-CBS vintage plastic has that special tone we all seek.
So they were boiled in a dilute coffee solution as well then, heh?
Technology is just amazing!!

RonSonic
2003-09-18 01:03:17 UTC
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Post by John NOSPAM
I am looking into Fender Custom Shop guitars, I am interested in learning to
differentiate between them in terms of sound and material quality rather than
some fancy finish or ornament.
54 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
56 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
59 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster
2. How much a brand new one would cost? and where can they be purchased in good
deal?
3. Fender Custom shop seems to make "standard" custom shop guitars (certificate
but no specific luthier), and some guitars signed by specific luthier (John
English etc.).
What is the difference? (are the standard custom shop machine made?)
Who are the better luthiers?
What is the difference between "team built" and "master built" custom shop
guitars?
4. Is there a major sound difference between 54 NOS Custom Shop Stratocaster and
54 Reissue?
Most of these are questions that Fender could best answer. As for the rest, let
us know what you find.

Ron
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